Ep 257 - Basketball Stuff. Everyone Stay Calm

We had to get a pod out about the latest news that 4-star C, Shawn Phillips has decommitted from NC State and talk about why it isn't an indictment of Kevin Keatts and the program.

Yes, things aren't good but we talk about what this means and why we aren't freaking out over it.

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00:19.25
redwhitepodcast
All right folks we are back with another dish of the red white podcast I'm your host Evan here with the special I won't call him a guest because he's been working behind the scenes ma the intern is joining us Mac how are you doing max got a podcast set up for his own podcast.

00:30.40
Mac
Hello How are you.

00:38.30
redwhitepodcast
Which is way out of my realm but Mac if you want to give it a plug. Go ahead.

00:40.60
Mac
Yeah, it's called a nerds aren't real. We are on Spotify Apple anchor anywhere where you get your regular podcasting. Get your mcu news. Yeah.

00:48.94
redwhitepodcast
Love it I don't know anything about what they talk about but I listen and it's entertaining and usually Mac derailing his podcast cohost so we'll see how far that goes here but good stuff. See'll y'all check it out I have no doubt about it.

00:56.41
Mac
Oh yeah I I I plan to employ the same methods with you.

01:08.37
redwhitepodcast
So want to get on the mic and talk about this because the last I don't know three days or so it's just been a shitstorm of things happening ah state hires is it officially it I don't even know it's officially a Kareem Robinson the Co Clemson assistant coach

01:27.32
Mac
I Yeah, don't think so no.

01:28.21
redwhitepodcast
I don't think that's officially is that official. Okay, well it's gonna be official soon. Supposedly they're hiring the clumpson assistant coach and I personally have no way of measuring if any of these assistant hires are any good. All right I like people say oh, it's a good hire It's a great hire I don't know like. Let me let's see it play out. Let's see what what they can bring is Keith's gonna let them do their coaching. You know thing can they recruit I mean if I go back and look at the history like he doesn't have a great track record and as we talked about earlier in the chat. He's responsible for bringing Danny Dixon from Uk Mcc yeah but Nbc whatever it is to an c state and that alone should disqualify him I don't know man.

02:16.76
Mac
That was an all time spin Zone I don't know who said it but saying that he gets credit for having an Acc player I.

02:25.14
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, right? Yeah, that was I was talking with James Henderson earlier and he and he he walked it back. What go did him earlier. He he had said you know I give him credit for gettingting Danny Dixon to the Acc and I was like whoa whoa whoa and he said no no I meant that it it.

02:33.61
Mac
Um, yeah.

02:44.84
redwhitepodcast
Ah, he swindled somebody by getting Danny Dixon Acc so he should be able to recruit. It's like okay that makes a lot more sense. But yeah so I don't I just yeah right I don't know how to judge an assistant coach hire outside of their experience and he's got some experience I mean he was at Clemson but thson's.

02:49.81
Mac
Yeah, so he's good lying. Yeah.

03:03.31
redwhitepodcast
Never been that good. He's just he's another guy that Keats knows from Louisville and that to me it's yeah yeah, right right? So it's another like James Johnson didn't work as a head coach 1 of Keiths Homeboys you know i.

03:07.68
Mac
Oh great. Yeah, that's worked out. Well.

03:20.99
redwhitepodcast
I Don't know that's my whole point I don't want to spend the podcast dogging him My point is that people are like hey it's a good hire pure. It's a bad hires like I I Just don't know like it's a basketball I don't know if it's as important as like a football coach right.

03:28.27
Mac
Um, a. Yeah, he's not calling plays and whether or not Keats lets him do anything it remains to be seen.

03:39.24
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, so he is replacing Mike Summy one of the fired coaches from a couple weeks ago coincidentally Mike Summy who was Sean Phillips lead recruiter is no longer an nc state. Sean Phillips decides to decommit from mc state what? what? do you think about all that what do you where where is your head at.

03:59.20
Mac
Yeah, this is. Ah I'm trying to I'm trying I'm just waiting I don't know if we're at rock bottom yet it feels like it. But I say that and then like next week ernest rossell transfer or like the one of the 4 players that we have returning will leave i. Are we going to be able to field a roster next year because that seems questionable at this point.

04:27.78
redwhitepodcast
Oh you know it's a valid question so I put it out on Twitter earlier that none of these like this one in particular is decommitment doesn't mean anything to me because what how I see it is this was gonna happen regardless or something like this was gonna happen regardless of. Right? His the guy he has a relationship with was just fired and so now he doesn't apparently have a good relationship or much of a relationship with Keats or the rest of the staff I don't know if that's a normal approach to recruiting or if that's you know how that.

05:04.43
Mac
I'd imagine. It's not.

05:06.50
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it doesn't seem like it I don't know if that's normal or not but so that's expected to me and so at this point what out my only point with all of it is. There's enough guys in the portal this stuff this thing was gonna happen I'm not gonna get It's not an indictment this. Of all things is not an indictment of Kevin Keats to me like I already don't think he's good enough I don't think he's gonna be here after next year regardless of what happens and I'll explain that later but this this is not a surprise people are all getting all worked up and it's just because it's a.

05:22.84
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

05:39.82
redwhitepodcast
Something that they can use for their argument hey look this sucks or like yeah I get it. It does suck Keats is not building the right program or building a program but our administration isn't gonna do anything about it now like so I'm not gonna browbeat anybody over this right now right.

05:51.10
Mac
Yeah, right? Yeah we're stuck with him at this point may as well. Just let him see what he can do if you're Phillips I completely understand not wanting to come here. You're likely to have a whole new staff nine months from now. So why would you even like. Just go somewhere else and have a better career I know will was having his old man takes about he should he made a commitment. He should come to the school I totally agree with that. There's no reason having an e and steer situation with someone who doesn't want to be here.

06:22.91
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I don't know this was in the botchat earlier and I don't know how drunk will was at 9 a m this morning but that was really one of his very very not will takes he was on an island on that one saying that we should just make him make him come like.

06:38.47
Mac
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Keats has already like alienated himself from all the other high school coaches in the state. This will really help that.

06:42.68
redwhitepodcast
Keep him in his L Ah because that'll really work on the recruiting trail. Yeah.

06:54.41
redwhitepodcast
You're right? Yeah, just yeah I was that was a weird take I like you know Keats has got the hope and the fans have got the hope that the assistant coaches have to can rely on their relationships. They built at other places in order to bring talent in. Because as we've talked about in the chat and somebody had done a really deep dive that I need to write up for the site but Keats's recruiting has all been based around Aw Hamilton who is now at Eastern Kentucky and he needs to be able to since he can't leverage that one anymore. Leverage some of these new guys and there's a ton of talent in the portal right? There's there's so many players out there that you can get and I'm not saying that we're gonna get them all and the likelihood of us getting 6 you know high caliber players from the portal where I think this.

07:35.39
Mac
Yeah.

07:46.78
redwhitepodcast
Maybe 4 or 5 I'm not sure where the numbers that it's gonna be about 6 when is all said and done. It's not gonna happen right? I I just don't think we'll get a couple and we'll probably backfill and maybe take a chances on a few Eric Locketts or Danny Dixons and we know how that turns out right? but.

07:59.79
Mac
Great.

08:06.36
redwhitepodcast
There's the portal is aired for us to get players. So it's just I'm not nothing is gonna happen right? at this point like just getting upset and yelling about Keats in the program like yes I agree and so of saying on Twitter people are coming at me.

08:11.94
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

08:21.21
redwhitepodcast
Like dude I agree I don't like where this program is headed and it's it's frustrating to see but at this point what are you gonna do by it just take a step back breathe and realize this is recruiting college basketball recruiting of all things is just ridiculous and so. Just let it happen. Let it play Out. Let's get some portal guys coming in. They'll get somebody the they'll be something is I mean it's not a.. It's not a very glowing endorsement they at least they're gonna get some talent like I'm not worried about them getting or not getting players right.

08:42.13
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

08:53.50
Mac
Right? Yeah I'm oddly more helpful for things like right now than I was a month ago that's probably just the longer I get away from last season the more I'm okay with things. But I mean lander's nali. He's really good. That's a great pickup if you can get him.

09:07.52
redwhitepodcast
Yes.

09:11.89
Mac
These old miss guys are all fairly decent. Um, there's plenty of talent available and there's a sales pitch of there's plenty of playing time here. No one. No one owns any minutes right? Now you've got more cell who. Was hurt most of the time ross with a broken leg I mean I don't think there's any returners that are solidified in their minutes so you can self a clean slate to a grad transfer and get all the minutes you want showcase yourself. Hopefully you get a draft out of it. Um, but yeah, there's no point in complaining and there's also no point in complaining when the roster can be completely different a month from now.

09:57.50
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, that's exactly it. The roster is gonna be completely different and now and landers dolly would be a great addition. Probably better than all, but 1 of the players we had last year right? I mean I think he be that good if you can bring him in now I understand people are upset.

10:03.41
Mac
Yeah. Yeah.

10:16.38
redwhitepodcast
Because Louis Rodriguez the guy for the wing from old miss who's apparently committed to us in secret on his visit last week and then goes to a visit on u and lv and then decides not to commit to us and commit to you and lv. Like I don't know where that stands right now I don't think that saga is done but the the whole thing was that he wants to be closer to home and I'm sitting here thinking like the kid what the prep school in Connecticut for 4 years play basketball at all miss and now North Carolina happens to be too far from home like.

10:53.80
Mac
Yeah, that's just it. That's just an easy excuse to use to get out of it.

10:55.29
redwhitepodcast
There's some weird stuff going on there. Yeah, right, right? So but that sock is not over. He could still commit but I understand where you know people are concerned about it the the one that I think really stands out was the Tennessee Center we're like yeah, we're really into this guy and then we're not in his top 4 when he released the day. It's like wake Forest arizona state smu and somebody else like 2 of the 4 programs were just like huh. Yeah, but yeah.

11:26.48
Mac
If he goes to wake that will be rock bottom that will be that's officially rock I I think wake is now my most taed team I think in the acc just with all of the antics they've had in the last couple years if he ends up at wake or if any of these guys end of it wake i'm.

11:45.54
redwhitepodcast
I Mean Wake's definitely my my one B like I still hate Carolina more than anything but wake forest has spoiled enough of our good seasons and good things that I have got no time I got no no love for wake forest none none whatsoever in their fans are.

11:45.99
Mac
Fist.

11:49.97
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

12:04.39
redwhitepodcast
Just like Caroline fans is just a lot less of them. They'll show up when when they're winning and otherwise you won't hear from. So yeah I you know I don't know I don't know what to think about this thing and in my what I said earlier on Twitter was I think there is.

12:08.57
Mac
Yeah.

12:22.92
redwhitepodcast
Ah, 1% chance that Keats is even here next year no matter what in somebody argue with me and said well if you know if he wins he makes a sweet 16 run and then they backed off and they said well what if he just you know makes it to the semifinals in the acc tournament which are two very different things. What does Keats need to do. In order for you to say like he's he'll be here next year

12:43.13
Mac
Oh oh god ah he has to finish top four regular season and make the semys and make the sweet sixteen I think he has to do all of that i. Don't think it's just 1 thing. He also hit me. He hasn't won an ncw tournament game. So I'm I I'm not holding out for that to happen I think Quinn said he'll walk to the sweet sixteen if we make it next year I'm I'm right there with him. Um.

13:15.18
redwhitepodcast
Wells. Yeah.

13:19.20
Mac
Honestly I think our ceilings and I t next year which has also been Keats's ceiling the last four years so I see no reality in which he ends up back here if he was already looking for Penn State Two years ago

13:31.15
redwhitepodcast
Me.

13:36.39
Mac
Which isn't a good basketball program. He's not going to stay here. Yeah.

13:39.52
redwhitepodcast
I mean that's the thing he's been looking to reset his clock for a while it was penn state and then there's some other jobs that are of lower caliber than Penn State Basketball and Nc State basketball that would surprise some people if we talked about him. But yeah, let's say he even if he does win. Which the likelihood of that we all know is not very good. He's not sticking around. He's gonna find any way out the door that he can. He's go look what look at the turnaround I did ncw a cloud was gone and now I brought them to the acc tournament semifinals according to this guy like.

14:05.26
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

14:10.74
Mac
Ah, the cloud.

14:16.70
redwhitepodcast
To me. There's no chance and then if he has a bad season. He's gone right? There's just I don't see how this ends up with 2023 Kevin Keats as a head coach.

14:19.20
Mac
Yeah.

14:25.71
Mac
Well also I mean with everything that's happened this last year and a half there won't be a roster in 2023 all these guys will be gone and he's not recruiting anything right now and there's not gonna be a Josh Hall to leave us at the altar I I mean yeah I fully expect. To get to the end of the year and then he I won't see the Twitter announcement but he'll so he'll end up somewhere and tout his 4 out of 5 postseason appearances.

14:55.23
redwhitepodcast
Post postseason appearances. Yeah, it's always a good One. You know I don't I don't really know like I don't I don't know what it's weird that this we are where we're At. We are where we are at this point but I don't really know what I expected you when they said they're gonna keep him on like him boose is like this is our guy. Yeah, like yeah, you're right I don't know I don't know what to expect like I think we're at the bottom I don't think there's.

15:18.54
Mac
I Didn't expect this.

15:27.25
Mac
Yeah, what do you think about all the there's the group of fans who think that like it's been thirty years and we haven't had a good hire. So why? bother.

15:29.32
redwhitepodcast
And I'm not sure how much worse it can get.

15:39.78
redwhitepodcast
See That's the part where I disagree from a lot of people because I think we've had such poor administration for the longest time that it.

15:44.96
Mac
Yeah.

15:56.24
redwhitepodcast
It's not to say that you know we're cursed or to some some force holding us down right? It's we've just been inept and we've hamstrung ourselves for the longest time and I've said this repeatedly that I think we finally have decent administration.

16:02.63
Mac
Yeah.

16:14.16
redwhitepodcast
You know Debbie Al turns turns things around gave some sign of life like if you weren't winning. She was getting rid of you and by all accounts boo does you know he's very highly regarded even though he does act like a bit like ring Fowler.

16:29.92
Mac
That's that that's the a d of the year boo

16:32.75
redwhitepodcast
Right? Yeah right? I don't know what to expect from him but I gotta think his reputation is there enough or it has been earned to the point where he he would be would make a decent hire now or maybe just not completely bungle the search like.

16:46.10
Mac
Yeah.

16:52.80
redwhitepodcast
Leaf Howler did multiple times because I think you can win here I think there's ah it's a place where sure we have expectations I don't think our fans are any crazier than anybody else. Despite what a lot of people think I think you can win and I don't even think you have to be that like. Good like we saw what what herb did right? Herb was and he was a good basketball coach and I'm gonna say great. He was. He was a a decent basketball coach and he got us like middle of the pack somewhat competitive at some points Mark Godfrey was

17:12.85
Mac
Right.

17:29.38
redwhitepodcast
Busy doing a lot of things that were not basketball and he still was find a way to get you know sweet 16 s and recruit players and do things like if he was here in the NILEra he would be flourishing like.

17:38.47
Mac
I would kill to have godrey back I just the 2 sweet 16 s alone I think that's what I'd say most fans expect to be top half of the Acc and then every 4 years make a run at the top 4 or a sweet 16 I don't think that's a crazy expectation I don't think I mean Arkansas at this point they were terrible three years ago and now they're gonna be number one next year and everyone's gonna pick them to win the national championship I don't expect that estate I never expect to get there.

18:06.53
redwhitepodcast
Right.

18:14.52
Mac
But to sweet sixteen. That's all I need give us that extra week of publicity and I'm fine. Keats can't do that right now. But I don't think it'll take a lot of investment to get to that point. So I've just been holding out hope that like we get through the end of the year the buyout reduces and boo can pay four and a half million for a good coach and just let him ride the rest of the way.

18:35.74
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I think you're right right? like my expectations aren't to be a national power right away I want to just be competent in a lot of things that would go a long way not being on the bubble like being good enough where you're not on the bubble.

18:45.56
Mac
Yeah.

18:54.68
redwhitepodcast
Like you don't have to be top 3 which would be great. But if you are competitive enough where you are in that 5 spot. You're not in the bubble you're competing with you know all the teams around you're not getting blown out by the heels. You're not, you're doing a lot of things that yeah I think.

19:11.39
Mac
Top 30 Yeah yeah.

19:12.96
redwhitepodcast
Would be a respectable yeah respectable basketball program I don't think that's too much to ask for this program with its history.

19:22.21
Mac
Yeah, the that graphic that got tweeted out about and Nba players in the playoffs. It's sad that we are not on that I mean I think that should be 1 of the biggest things for the next coach would be to develop an Mba player.

19:27.12
redwhitepodcast
Ah, that was so sad.

19:38.38
Mac
Because other than T J Warren We really haven't had that.

19:40.31
redwhitepodcast
Right? If you look at this list I'm like looking to some of these schools that are on here in some of these logos. Oh yeah, le high I don't know we even know FFgsuFcc you so Florida gulf coast you know San Diego state Smu Wyoming like it's.

19:44.48
Mac
Yeah Lee high.

20:00.45
redwhitepodcast
It's it's sad Ohio not Ohio State Ohio yeah let's

20:01.37
Mac
Yeah, you can you can luck in to an Nba player and we still haven't even done that and the guys that potentially could leave for that I don't think will be in the and Nba in the real Nba I think they'll just be glea guys which is fine. It's money.

20:16.62
redwhitepodcast
All right? That's yeah, like city low is able to bring in top 10 classes right? It can be done here and I don't think that's.

20:20.57
Mac
But I mean we don't have anywhere near that.

20:27.76
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

20:34.31
redwhitepodcast
I Don't think it's crazy but like.

20:34.74
Mac
I mean Keats was on the door of getting these good guys. They just never you know fully showed up so it's it's yeah states that got enough facility wise investment wise to attract the liques and the halls and the sidiq bays.

20:52.18
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, he's got to close the deal and I think that's that's one of the things that has been almost say lacking is kind of a weak word, but that's just they haven't been able to do it like you haven't been able to get your best players on campus.

20:54.30
Mac
Yeah.

21:08.77
Mac
Yeah, well let me ask. So obviously he's got the poor relationship with high school coaches does he have a relationship with any of the a circuit to get some of those guys.

21:10.52
redwhitepodcast
For whatever reason that is.

21:21.89
redwhitepodcast
And you would think that's what where he would shine right? That was his hard grave connection. That's what we brought him in everybody was like hey can webuild his roster. That's one of the things that in hindsight we all see that and like.

21:25.70
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

21:38.83
redwhitepodcast
Well was he rebuilding the hard grave Oscar was it just hard grave reloading because it's hardgrave I think it's probably more the latter I think it's more hard grave doing hardgrave things now I think he probably has some relationships with a coaches but does he leverage them.

21:41.33
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

21:58.10
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

21:58.69
redwhitepodcast
I don't know I keep going back to the LL story which I don't know if you remember that one was a couple weeks ago during the seat. Yeah, during the Twitter spaces in LElli former carolina panthers son was top junior college player in the country.

22:06.50
Mac
In the spaces. Yeah.

22:17.16
redwhitepodcast
Came on and said he walked up to Kevin Keats and introduced himself as l ellis hey I want you to meet my son and Keats blows him off and says oh you know I'm not Kevin Keats I just look like him and like. How do you build relationships with like that and like this is not me this is a parent. This is a parent of the number 1 junior college player in the country who that week after twitters. Yeah, he went to Louisville and good enough for Louisville not good enough for Kevin Kates that

22:33.38
Mac
I forgot that detail.

22:40.31
Mac
Ended up at Louisville right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:49.27
redwhitepodcast
That week that llls came on and told that story he is son scored 19 had 19 and 90 It's duke came and I'm just like you know. So yeah, how does he have a relationships I would think so does he leverage them I don't know like I just.

22:51.65
Mac
God Yeah could he use them. Yeah.

23:08.85
redwhitepodcast
The somebody had put out there that he we didn't have any recruits visit basketball Basketball games year I don't know if that's a true it. Ah yeah.

23:18.63
Mac
That's insane. It makes sense as to why Sean Phillips that was his name right? Yeah makes sense why you don't have any relationships with any of the other coaches if he'd never showed up the campus I mean I don't know how you.

23:28.47
redwhitepodcast
Right? yeah.

23:36.23
Mac
How does boo see that and think that that's okay, you're not recruiting at that point. Yeah, what coaching.

23:41.30
redwhitepodcast
I Don't know what you're doing at that point right? if that is true and somebody else had kind of verified as he had in my eyes I haven't seen it by there that to me is very alarming like.

23:52.66
Mac
Yeah.

23:58.64
redwhitepodcast
I don't know how you go through a basketball season and now granted I wouldn't towards the end of this year I wouldn't want a whole lot of people visiting either I get it but that is just not a way to recruit like Lj Thomas is a funny one like he's the the 1 guy left in Kates's recruiting class who didn't play high school basketball this year

24:04.11
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

24:16.23
redwhitepodcast
Hasn't played since he was a junior. There's no film on him and in somebody puts out on I don't know if it's Twitter or somewhere else that wonder if Keats got catfish and this guy doesn't really exist like that would not that would be very much part from the crime that would be the rock product.

24:30.10
Mac
It wouldn't It wouldn't shock me? yeah.

24:34.47
redwhitepodcast
That would be rock bottom if that were the case if you got catfish by recruit you committed kept the spot scholarship spot for? yeah.

24:43.88
Mac
Luckily that is what Ernest Ross was before he got here. He didn't play senior year. So hopefully if we they turn out like that top 50 player that's good I mean I know Keats are well I know it was reported that Keats had guys at the spring game. So.

24:48.20
redwhitepodcast
That's true.

25:01.18
Mac
Maybe he does all this in the off season. But I yeah yeah, yeah, that's way more fun. Um, but yeah I was going to say like at least bring him to a cupcake but we lost those too So there's.

25:02.58
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I would leverage football to oh yeah.

25:17.76
Mac
Not even really a good game to bring these guys to.

25:22.28
redwhitepodcast
it's it's Sean Phillips is now tweeting all of his offers Washington State georgia state yeah like right now was recording it just popped up im off Twitter Feed Washington state Georgia state.

25:23.51
Mac
Oh god already. Ah George's state yeah if we lost this guy to Georgia's state that would be I'll be fantastic.

25:37.26
redwhitepodcast
You know I first Sean and any other high school recruit I don't I don't blame him like he does his let alone some. He's not here who recruited him despite most wolf pack fans saying oh you know that guy didn't do anything like you're wrong.

25:43.30
Mac
Um, yeah.

25:55.82
redwhitepodcast
Was actually one of the better coaches on the staff. But I digress if you're high school is student if you're a high school kid. You know that Keats the seat is hot. You know that the likelihood of him being here is low.

25:59.87
Mac
Wow I cannot believe.

26:13.40
Mac
Nope.

26:14.29
redwhitepodcast
Because he's got a hot seat now they might not know how active he's looking for their jobs which I get but he's got like you know he's not gonna be. He's not go be your coach for 4 years if you're planning on stay in college for more than a year probably not gonna be your guy.

26:27.25
Mac
Now. Yeah.

26:32.41
redwhitepodcast
So I don't blame any high school kid for not coming. He Keats better hit the portal and say look. We both got 1 year here let's do it will make everybody better. We'll make everybodys money and get out of here like I got just got of feeling that's the messaging that's gonna happen.

26:47.12
Mac
Yeah I fully expect to hit June or July and have to pick up a Jalen Gibson or Danny Dixon type player or yeah Gibson will just take his name out of the port. Oh I know he's committed to wins and Salem. Yeah good old d 2 guy. Um.

26:55.59
redwhitepodcast
Are. Yeah.

27:06.38
Mac
Yeah, there's no reason to come here. Keats hasn't given anything to make a player want to show up here and he already ostracizes you know former players. So but there's really not much going for Keats at this point and.

27:12.40
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

27:25.18
Mac
If you're yeah, why waste your transfer to come here for a year and then transfer out may as well. Just go somewhere else for 3 years and then get a grad transfer. Um, yeah.

27:32.63
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I just ah I don't fault any high school kid for not coming I ah just people just need to let this portal play out why we feel out what comes it's not gonna be like let's not have any delusions of grander. We're not going to be. Ah, final 4 team next year right let's just hope that we're not suffering through another absolutely miserable basketball season. Let's hope he gets enough I'm pulling for Kevin Keys because I like anti state I'm pulling for him to get enough players that we are competitive basketball team I don't know if I believe it's gonna happen but that I'm pulling for it. Because I want to see us win. It's frustrating.

28:10.26
Mac
Yeah, especially if football doesn't go to where we think it might this year the hotsie for Keats just gets even hotter I mean he was able to kind of ride through football success. The beginning of the year and if football's disappointing.

28:23.58
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

28:29.68
Mac
And then you start out losing a right state or St Louis I I don't know if he makes it through the year I'd be great if we're relevant in March and I can actually look at a bracket for the first time in 5 years and see our name on it. But. Yeah I'm not I'm not confident.

28:48.44
redwhitepodcast
Number 1 player in the portal Kendrick Davis Guard from Smu has cut his list to 17 that are do not include us so like they go there goes that one. Yeah, oh.

28:58.70
Mac
Yeah, no, don't blame ah this Florida kid is intriguing the one that Matt posted. But yeah.

29:06.31
redwhitepodcast
Oh yeah, okay so there's another that that's a perfect example. Why it's not people shouldn't get Ben out of shape. Let me go find that kid's name Jalen Reid I believe Jalen Reid so he was a.

29:16.75
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

29:23.47
redwhitepodcast
Composite force our number 75 player in the country number 16 power forward 6 ten two hundred and twenty from California had committed to Florida Mike White had left to Georgia I think and then.

29:36.98
Mac
Yes, yeah, Georgia.

29:41.20
redwhitepodcast
But the interesting thing is that Jalen Reid was down to Florida in old miss when he committed and his lead recruiter was Levi Watkins at old miss.

29:45.70
Mac
Ah.

29:55.00
redwhitepodcast
So again people are been out of shape. You're gonna lose Sean Phillips but maybe you get this other guy. There's just so many players that are gonna be in the portal. This kid is I believe higher ranked in Phillips. You know it's still. There's still. There's still players out there that can then come in. We'll have.

30:05.45
Mac
Probably no.

30:13.94
Mac
Say.

30:14.33
redwhitepodcast
We will have a basketball team next year like that might be a low bar but there will be a team playing.

30:18.30
Mac
Chase Graham will be the starting point guard but we'll be there. Yeah yeah has long felt goodbye to seabron but Searon's coming back guys. It's fine.

30:23.29
redwhitepodcast
Chase Graham gets back to his weird tweets too. Um.

30:32.96
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, right? Yeah, it's funny man. It's it's what we always say is watch what they do not what they say and not what the people say yeah, it's the same thing with Dingham like deleting all his ansy state stuff from his no no it just means he's a.

30:41.38
Mac
Yeah.

30:52.30
redwhitepodcast
But classifying like I How to sad how does that work I don't know it's It's unfortunate that we are where we are in basketball but I don't think anybody should be getting too riled up over it because there's really nothing you can do at this point, the administration Iss not good doing things. So let's just hope we get some better talent.

31:04.99
Mac
Yeah.

31:11.11
Mac
yeah yeah I mean Keiths showed in his first year that he can get good transfers for a year I mean if you can get an al freeman right now that'd be great or DJFunderberg that was I mean he's had.

31:12.00
redwhitepodcast
Right? That's that's kind of where I am.

31:23.35
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

31:29.58
Mac
Good transfers. It's just right now we're not really picking anybody up which is fine but the porter will I I do think that the portal kind of closes pretty soon with the high talent players I think they'll kind of be. Picked up by the end of may. Um, so hopefully you know in these next month and a half we can have a little bit more solid ground because that's when we're gonna end up with ah a Danny Dixon or someone on that calber.

32:04.58
redwhitepodcast
Yeah Danny Dixon Danny Dixon white Walker Eric lock it we got Sunday I I did to I was I was on board I bought in.

32:13.00
Mac
I Thought locket was gonna be so good I Really did.

32:22.83
redwhitepodcast
I've learned my lesson at this point though I'm just gonna wait and see what happens like I'm not I don't think anybody should just get worked up man. So all that's all I have on this I don't know if you have anything else. You want to add.

32:29.56
Mac
How many assistants but ah, how many after this Clemson guy are there any other open assistant spots or is that it got it. Okay.

32:40.51
redwhitepodcast
No, that's it that would be 2 tech technically Roy Roberson is still on staff and through the month of April but after that he is done. So yeah, after it gets ah gets your what stacks is done gets your ah.

32:47.20
Mac
Ah, yes, yeah, after tax season comes up.

33:00.24
redwhitepodcast
4 1 k filled out for Keats yeah, but all right everybody chill out. We'll see what happens with the portal I mean it's unfortunate where we are we are but there's no need to go raging on it. You got to expect.

33:01.63
Mac
Yeah, yeah.

33:18.62
redwhitepodcast
These things are gonna happen. Let's just hope we get some talent anyway. Mac yeah trust. Thank thanks Joe Helm be mac thanks for joining me thanks for filling in for for will we'll have you have you on um more often now that you have actual podcast microphone. But.

33:20.83
Mac
Trust the process. Yeah, you get it? Yeah sounds good.

33:37.73
redwhitepodcast
As always thanks for listening. Go back.

33:39.70
Mac
Go pack.