Ep 249 - Baseball & Tommy White, Keatts Status & Block Party, Will on Whiskey

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This episode was a roller coaster trying to keep Will on track.

Baseball

Tommy White

NC State vs BC (I might have been wrong here)

Keatts job status

Keatts blocking Kenz and the intern.

McLaughlin leaving, whats that mean.

Poorly Done transcription from our podcasting software.

01:26.96
redwhitepodcast
And right here in Riley we are back with another addition of the red white podcast I'm your host Evan here with will will how do you feel about being a baseball podcast now.

01:38.25
SaltyZencasterDave
I Wish we had a correspondent to cover it. Um, it's killing me that I'm gonna have to spend so much of my time and energy and gas driving down the raleigh to watch these games all by myself. No One's gonna watch them with me. Um, it's gonna be tough. Um.

01:56.70
redwhitepodcast
We'll have zach back on the podcast. He's moving. You had a baby had a bunch of stuff going on but he is gonna be back talking baseball with me. We're gonna do a Twitter spaces on Sunday night after the series. Weekend series and we'll have our former correspondent I assume he's gonna want to chime in there. But yeah it I think if it's an unofficial capacity as a fan. Probably yeah, but.

02:19.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Is he ah is he allowed to.

02:29.92
redwhitepodcast
I've watched all the baseball games so far this year at least most of them or like you know, most of the innings because freaking tommy white is ridiculous I can't recall a better start to an athletic career at nsy state than what tommy wise done 14 at bats. 6 43 average 5 home runs 12 rbis I mean just absolutely crushing it. That's not even that was just his weekend that wasn't yesterday and today he went 1 for one got walked twice I mean they moved him up in the lineup the second I mean so it's gonna be harder for them to pitch around him. I mean just ridiculous. How good he is already and I hope even if he comes back down earth at some point which you got of imagine is gonna happen that it's it's not of like a huge fall right? that he maintains some level of. This he's hitting a beach ball right now I don't know I mean it's it's unreal I just I equate it to Dennis Smith Jr when somebody put it out on Twitter on Twitter earlier they were like you know what's the what's the comparable like Dsa was averaging 20 plus. And 7 assists in his first 5 games like he was he was unreal to Tommy White national player the week

03:49.97
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, and then he tanked our whole program. So Tommy please do not take notes from alleged payment taker Dennis Smith technical I guess it was his father. They claimed it right. The you know what doesn't matter tommy n I l baby just claim it.

04:09.16
redwhitepodcast
technically yeah, technically yeah we'll have some more baseball thoughts in depth later in the week I think early on it's really hard to judge. Too much based on the level of competition Evansville longwood bryant or not bryant Ecu played Bryan got swept I don't know I think it's about as good a start as you can imagine and I think it's a reprieve that we've all needed just. To get some excitement just you know carrying on the hype from last year's debacle I think just this was a great start and having a guy that they can really sell and kind of galvanize it I think that's what's gonna. This was really gonna get the season going and get you know, get the excitement going get and people like you watching or me watching and everybody else who's in the chat we've been watching you know baseball week and it's just not something we've done historically this earlier by's usually watching basketball and.

05:19.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Everyone's got Dinger Fever man.

05:20.73
redwhitepodcast
But now like yeah now you have something you can really rally around and you have a guy that is just getting attention from everywhere and really capitalizing on the hype Preseason right? states top 10 now number 9 and I just. Think you having that ability to have somebody like that really you can showcase I think that's all I think it's awesome I think you're really, we're really gonna see the benefits of of having that figurehead.

05:48.70
SaltyZencasterDave
It. It's gonna be brutal when I come down there for a weekend series and have to sit there with chance the whole time and this guy does not hit a home run and I'm just like so I'm saying like it's gonna be brutal and I would just be sitting there and I'll be like I guess.

05:59.77
redwhitepodcast
He's currently on pace for a hundred home runs. That's all that I don't I don't know.

06:09.22
SaltyZencasterDave
Gonna tell I don't know chance I Guess we'll do wartles or something.

06:12.82
redwhitepodcast
I saw I was watching the game today and whitaker pitched and or or was pitching and I think it was kind of the last the two midweek starters Adams and Whitaker people weren't really sure what to expect and I thought Whitaker showed really? well. 5 endings 2 hits five k's when I stop watching at at one point I know he got pulled for Garret Payne but really good outing and if you can get quality innings from those guys I think you really see see the benefit as the rotation starts to settle in. But last Tom me white fa I I saw earlier wrote down his home runs this past weekend averaged one hundred and five miles an hour exit speed four hundred and sixteen feet and he's hitting bombs. He's not just dinking him out there. You absolutely hitting bombs which is wild.

07:07.11
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, so what's this guy's deal. Why is he in college I mean did he I assume he went in the draft at some point.

07:12.60
redwhitepodcast
I Don't have a clue I don't have clue. Yeah I need to we need to dig on this.? Ah I don't know I don't know let me.

07:23.44
SaltyZencasterDave
I thought someone said and I don't want to disparage any insy state athlete but I thought someone implied like he just like wasn't in shape or something like that for the pro level but I could completely be mistaking who we're talking about because guess what. Have not watched any of these baseball games yet because I spent my whole weekend trying to fix a tool so I was only catching these highlights on Twitter and as chance was you know dying living in in. And pure joy at each each up run. Okay.

07:59.93
redwhitepodcast
So here's an ips article from July last year Nc State signee was closely following following the 2021 m um Mlb draft to see if you'd be selected potentially leaving tough decision sign a pro contract or sued up for the wolfback. However, white had a plan in place which ultimately played a role in him not being picked. In the draft so he wasn't picked. This was a hectic this week was hectic whites said laughing I had some interest in sup but I wasn't going to sell myself short I wanted to go to college and trying to earn more out of college. My goal has been to go to Anc State for the longest time play for three years and hopefully go to Omaha couple times.

08:19.50
SaltyZencasterDave
Top.

08:37.65
redwhitepodcast
Been a goal mine since I was a little kid to play college baseball. So we certain we set a certain financial number to go pro and teams knew what it was there. You go I was going to be no say I was gonna be strict in stand by and it didn't hit. It's really easy decision for me because I was going to stick by a number no matter what.

08:44.76
SaltyZencasterDave
What? Ah what position? Oh sorry.

08:56.41
redwhitepodcast
So it adds on oh sorry 1 more he adds on clearly he was talented enough to be selected high in the draft six foot one two hundred and twenty pounders considered one of the best pure prep hitters in baseball perfect game had him as the number 18 overall prospect in the country.

08:56.87
SaltyZencasterDave
What what position is the plan. Oh.

09:12.33
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, oh Wow So where was so he wasn't drafted at all or he was drafted but it wasn't.

09:14.15
redwhitepodcast
And number one third base prospect. Yeah, it doesn't looks like he wasn't drafted at all. So I'm guessing if I'm reading this right? He had a number in mind that he wanted and teams weren't willing to pay it and so.

09:29.27
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh okay.

09:33.18
redwhitepodcast
Um, curious how long often that happens that's really interesting to me.

09:34.47
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, well, what's his and Il number because I'm sure he's gonna get a quite a bit of it now. Um, we yeah okay man we've been talking about and I own nfts too much offline. Um.

09:39.46
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

09:51.51
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, he's playing first for the pack at least he was today. Yeah, and the number one third base process. It's a huge get to get a guy like that to campus. So I'm curious what kind of money scared off them Mlb teams.

09:51.84
SaltyZencasterDave
So we'll get to that when we get to it so he's a third basement. Ah so future pro at least in softball is what I'm hearing.

10:03.96
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, Oh yeah. Well I'm sure I mean I guess I Never even thought about it that they would be having conversations pre-draft about what he wants. But yeah, good for him man and you know hopefully with you know the new landscape with an Il you know guys like that.

10:09.49
redwhitepodcast
Um, wonder what that was.

10:18.41
redwhitepodcast
Right.

10:28.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Will come to college if if if they say hey you know what? I'd rather just go and do this and frankly I'd rather be getting paid some amount of money in college than going through what those guys could go through on in the minor leagues which sounds quite frankly like awful at times.

10:28.83
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

10:40.74
redwhitepodcast
Right.

10:47.61
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, you know So yeah, good for us L a haven way to go man recruit.

10:52.73
redwhitepodcast
So the rumor going around is that grooverver. So this guy's name is leg leg je la James sorry Leg James Grovery goes by genno. Um, it' gonna take over at first base for white. And move white to third and Polo Peloi Pull I got I can't pronounce any guys pulllo pilali pallali I can' pronoununcer named moving to l fells p illo I l o l I palalli p I l l o l i.

11:20.62
SaltyZencasterDave
Gee Whiz old man come on okay spelled again Palalli a appeal a Lee That's how you can say it.

11:29.44
redwhitepodcast
Ali Pallali I'm having this hard time today Nick when he moves up to the when he gets healthy enough to play outfield so it'll be interesting to see where they keep white right now. He's at first he was at first base.

11:41.40
SaltyZencasterDave
This this may be a dumb question. Do they have DH'sInCollege okay I was trying to think back because I was like no I'm pretty sure I've seen like the pictures hitting so that's probably not the case. Um, okay.

11:45.74
redwhitepodcast
No I don't think so.

11:55.22
redwhitepodcast
Had the box score open. Yeah I'm pretty sure this is how much we know about baseball we're new baseball fans chance got his hype last year it's 17 nothing by the way. Whatever.

11:59.52
SaltyZencasterDave
That's all good.

12:06.87
SaltyZencasterDave
Chance it and do anything. Okay, it was the wolf packck themselves beating Arkansas they got me hyped. Okay I remember that day so well Evan because I got engaged that day. And it will live in infamy and as far as I'm concerned we won the world series that day. That's how I feel.

12:25.73
redwhitepodcast
Well can't pronounce the guy's name because it was spelled wrong in this I p document. But yes, they do have a DHPaulHolley was the DH yeah yeah, yeah, interesting

12:34.87
SaltyZencasterDave
So they do have Dhs. Okay boy this has been painful for all the football fans who are like this is a football podcast right? and then they it's not.

12:43.12
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, get out of here with this baseball. Anyway, we'll get into baseball more later when I have appropriate people who can talk about baseball without sounding like idiots like we do.

12:54.17
SaltyZencasterDave
I Mean my greatest contribution to baseball in the slack chat so far was asking whether or not they served whiskey at the games so you know take a hint wolf pack nation if you if you guys want people like me to come more often. Increase the libations at the game.

13:13.60
redwhitepodcast
We've got to talk about at the the at the games. Um I Um I didn't write this in the notes but this weekend series It came to find out that they they've. Removed all printed material from athletics which I certainly understand I think some so there's no like programs or roster cars. They were handing out a baseball you know I don't think be programs. Yeah program you know.

13:34.34
SaltyZencasterDave
What wait What does that mean.

13:42.84
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh as like a cost cutting measure.

13:48.14
redwhitepodcast
Probably what they it probably what it is they used covered as excuse. Yeah, Whale's got a giant glass of whiskey this podcast going to get off the rails before dinner ground.

13:49.80
SaltyZencasterDave
I could sell you an Nft of the roster.

13:56.44
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh man I forgot that my videos on and yeah sipping Buffalo Trace for the the whiskey nerds out there.

14:04.46
redwhitepodcast
Ah, all right? but they so they got away got rid of all of the printed materials for athletics games I get it. They should have probably told some people because I know especially baseball older generation. They like their lineup Cards. You know that kind of deal. You know I.

14:24.65
SaltyZencasterDave
I will say right like I am ah I that is the 1 thing I've always liked about going to baseball games. Is you get the you get the little pamphlet and you know it serves as a a fan when it's hot outside which is gonna happen at some point.

14:41.61
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

14:43.43
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, and that kind of sucks. They can't just hand out like um copies of the technician with the baseball rosters I mean there's there's gotta be or or let me guess do they not print the technician anymore.

14:59.60
redwhitepodcast
That's a good question I don't know. Yeah.

15:00.79
SaltyZencasterDave
I'm wondering now I feel like it's probably like a once a week thing or something it wouldn't surprise me because I mean I remember finances were a problem when I was there.

15:08.25
redwhitepodcast
But the other things that happen at this this weekend series which I think is disappointing that they've run out of concessions. They didn't have. Merchandise Tents like if you want to really want to ah capitalize on the hype from last year and now the hype from this year. They just the didn'ts.

15:36.86
SaltyZencasterDave
Wait are you serious. They don't have merchandise.

15:41.10
redwhitepodcast
They didn't have merchandise in the first year I mean this might be something they're gonna add I don't know what the explanation is nobody got back to us. They ran out of beer. It ran out of food. There was only certain things you could get. It was just very disappointing.

15:58.15
SaltyZencasterDave
F come on.

16:00.79
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I think yeah I Just you know it's just a little things like that where you know we're gonna get to I don't know right? yeah.

16:09.74
SaltyZencasterDave
Did they not expect people to be excited to come out and support the team. Maybe maybe they're still you know maybe they're in Covid Mindset or something or did think I mean I Assume there was a good. I Assume there was good attendance there where they sold out.

16:27.88
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I Yeah believe So yeah I believe um I believe they were sold out. Um.

16:34.49
SaltyZencasterDave
Well I tell you what someone should be printing out rossers and handing those out and taking donations if they're smart right now. Um chance chance. And he could take out another and have and have the donate and have the money donated go to the players like come on guys like there's some easy. Yeah, someone can think this or someone can figure it out. Just go go on Legal Zoom make a or whatever and make a.

16:53.26
redwhitepodcast
He's got enough jobs.

17:11.32
SaltyZencasterDave
Make us Escorp Ccorp or something. Um, that's frustrating man That's really frustrating to hear. Um I Just hope it was an oversight or a logistical slip of some sort that was out of their control. Um man come on.

17:15.30
redwhitepodcast
I Do yeah.

17:30.95
SaltyZencasterDave
Like don't don't treat The don't treat the sport that probably had the most attention in the off season as like a charity case or not I mean it's not even the word I want to use.

17:38.36
redwhitepodcast
Right? And that's kind of my that's kind of my concern is like they deserve they deserve better than that right? They deserve not being second class citizen I think you know I think we've seen that enough and. And who knows it might be logistics. It might be who know they couldn't get certain things certain things or or enough people to run the boosts or whatever I don't know what it is but not communicating these sorts of things. Not. Being organized. You know we're we're gonna talk about the nnil stuff here in a minute and you know if you can't fundamentally get some of these simple things right? How much confidence you have in the more important things or the bigger things. So here's here's a note somebody sent us. They ran out of hot dogs ran out of chick-a sandwiches cheer cheeseburgers barbecue nachos in the third inning they only had 1 concessant chain open. We were in line for the entire inning I just like no afternoon game. Yeah, it was an afternoon game. Yeah.

18:46.75
SaltyZencasterDave
What time was the game was a lunch game was it early? Okay, okay I mean maybe maybe the yeah.

18:55.26
redwhitepodcast
And it was super nice like super nice weather. Yeah no shops for buying shirts, Jersey souvenirs, etc. Disappointing disappointed me I do have Zack's notes from the baseball game or a baseball series. And I'll read them just because I'm sure somebody out there wants me to boys look good today expected the pitching to get touched up a little It's February but Sam looked good. Five innings is plenty for first action. Bat's are good too. Tommy white. She devante got to keep trying to get. Backside like he was doing in the super regionals and college world series last year feel like he was trying to pull everything today instead of using the whole field and let the ball travel a harp on brown just because I have this gut feeling that this team will go as go this year as he goes similar similar to Johnny Butler last year and that's a good comparison. Feeling was okay for a 20 run game in February got to clean up a bit. Love new padding behind the plate and on the outfit walls. All in all, great opening day that's Zacks now.

20:01.60
SaltyZencasterDave
Let me ask um case there's anyone listening that knows when I last checked I still couldn't find like a direct link to just go donate to the baseball projects and one of our team members from slack sent me a message with a link and it went to like an error page. So have right now. The only thing I've seen online is like a link that connects me with the wolf pack club to go do this no offense Wolf Pack Club I just want to give you guys some money and I really just don't want to talk to 1 right now. So if anywhere out there in the ether can um. Message us on Twitter please do and tell me if there's a direct link to donate to the funding because I'd like to give a little bit of a donation here because I've got a nice bonus coming. So um, yeah.

20:49.58
redwhitepodcast
Nice. And will's a man of his word I was at my parents' house I was at my parents' house a couple weeks ago and I sat down I saw his email dress written on a piece of paper and I was like what in the hell why does my mom have will's email dress written down on the piece of paper will had donated to my mom's dog rescue.

20:58.73
SaltyZencasterDave
I yeah.

21:12.90
redwhitepodcast
And she was trying to figure out who the hell he was in order to send him a thank you? Yes and and so that's how we made that correct.

21:17.51
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, ah, um, if you need if if your mom needs our address I'll ah you're you're on the approved list I'll give it out to you? Um, yeah, oh and I don't know if we ever said anything or not. But ah thanks everyone for your suggestion and recommendations. The best part that came out of this is someone had recommended a un C children's hospital fund which I did donate to and then the fund has sent me multiple things in the mail and my wife has been like why the hell is U and C sending you stuff and. I was like oh you I donate to that fund and she was like someone couldn't suggest a better fund to you and I it's for the children. Ah you know, But yeah, thanks for all the suggestions. Um, that reminds me I probably need to go back and check and see if I did all my company match stuff for it. So um.

21:56.55
redwhitepodcast
The ah.

22:10.84
SaltyZencasterDave
Those donations made double here if I go back and remember that who knows this this whiskey glass is pretty big today. Um.

22:12.11
redwhitepodcast
Love it. Yeah anyway, tommy white's gonna help us get through the rest of basketball season. That's all I got about baseball for now. But we'll we'll get into it more but speaking of basketball pack place a night seven o'clock on ball sports against boston college yeah, so it's gonna be impossible to watch if anybody really wants to watch it I think I put my quick thoughts out on twitter earlier today.

22:34.15
SaltyZencasterDave
Is it really on bally man.

22:48.90
redwhitepodcast
We're better than boston college we should win I'm curious how we're gonna react to the seven day layoff or come out sluggish I feel like we probably start slow. We'll pick it up and then be able to hold them off pack wins by a-ish or something like that Although Boston College did light it up against.

23:06.34
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

23:07.60
redwhitepodcast
Fsu I checked there I checked their stats in every game this year that they've shot over 40% from 3 which is quite a few they followed it up with under 18% game every game.

23:17.45
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah I just want to say there's a lot of averages that probably catches up quickly with a team like Boston College did did. They also have a seven day layoff okay so I hope well I won't get to I probably won't be able to watch it because I don't know if I'll figure out where to stream this. Um.

23:24.63
redwhitepodcast
No, they played two days ago other days ago.

23:37.44
SaltyZencasterDave
But I hope we come out since we got the rest that we come out and press and play really aggressive. You know hope I take a vayner to that man. It's really annoying cause obviously I was really looking forward to watching the game tonight because I was telling you before this I've got some free time this evening and I guess I will now I don't know.

23:42.15
redwhitepodcast
Right.

23:57.27
SaltyZencasterDave
Watch more love is blind by myself. Um, the man That's so annoying First you hit me with the concession issues at baseball and now you're telling me it is definitely on ballet Sports Why why does this happen to us.

24:09.83
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, ah, ah.

24:15.31
SaltyZencasterDave
What is the whole point of an Acc Network why do I pay for an Acc Network if I can't actually get acc games.

24:21.62
redwhitepodcast
That's good point I don't know I don't know it's it's it's annoying. You should maybe he'll respond.

24:26.23
SaltyZencasterDave
I'm gonna send an email to Jim Phillips about this be like hey I know you're really in tune with this um Tv contract that was negotiated prior to you and that is literally ah pacing us 2 to 3 x behind other conferences. Um, man, you're really firing me up today nfts in this.

24:46.62
redwhitepodcast
Ah, one more baseball thought a lot I want to make a note JTJarrett is patting. He's batting six forty seven right now which is absurd. He's having a great start to the year

24:54.85
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, and is he though is he the one that hit the big home ran against Arkansas am I or way was that vanderbilt. Oh man I got go back into? yeah.

25:03.43
redwhitepodcast
Ah, you're asking the wrong person he he did play well at the end of last year and yeah, so yeah, bally sports I don't know pack pack should be all right Boston College Not very good, but.

25:20.95
SaltyZencasterDave
Can I recommend some and I l concepts that should make people money um, shagging balls for Tommy white.

25:31.12
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, ah.

25:32.00
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, that's I think I Still think that when all a sudden done. Um the right and white team is going to have the most creative in I L opportunities if we ever get a way to get this thing set up. Um. Assuming the coaches will let us actually interact with their athletes.

25:53.77
redwhitepodcast
Well like we're getting ahead because I don't want to talk about and now yeah get. But yeah.

25:57.50
SaltyZencasterDave
I know I know I know I know you can't expect me to follow a sheet of Google paper um hold on I'm getting a whiskey and ice cube delivery. So go for it.

26:03.66
redwhitepodcast
I know I gave will notes and he's all over the place. Ah yeah, Whiskey and ice cube. Oh there you go. He's not Kidding. He's got a giant ice block holding it up to his. Camera.

26:23.67
SaltyZencasterDave
That's right because I have the best wife in the world hey talking about you? Yeah, you're on the plan now. Um boy this is.

26:31.40
redwhitepodcast
Anyway, the other thing that happened with the basketball that is not is off the court. Kevin Keats is going around blocking folks. There's certain.

26:42.12
SaltyZencasterDave
Okay, now hold on see I'm sorry for everyone listening I am like 3 drinks ahead of Evan right now. So I'm a terrible covost tonight drinking on a light stomach. But um. Has he blocked anyone other than the one person.

26:59.40
redwhitepodcast
Yes, so he blocked a girl who is very fanatical on Twitter like a lot of fans are yeah Kens who has not been happy with the basketball performance this year like most people so I get it. But then.

27:04.73
SaltyZencasterDave
The kens.

27:17.68
redwhitepodcast
Our own and one of our own interns got blocked.

27:19.31
SaltyZencasterDave
What? Okay sorry I must have missed this.

27:22.33
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, you missed you might have missed this other day. Um, yeah, 1 of our interns got blocked by Kevin Gates I think he put it in the I don't he just tweeted at me earlier.

27:36.50
SaltyZencasterDave
Well, let me say I always appreciate when the basketball program uses our audio for um, for social media posts and please feel free to continue doing that I appreciate it. Please just give us a little bit of a hat tip when you do that it would be nice. Um, I mean if I was coach and people were like just wildly railing on me on Twitter I think I might block them too. I know there's a mute feature. But I kind of feel like ah the block is sending a message right? like I don't appreciate the way you're talking about me because I will say like some of those tweets from folks are just I mean to the point where it's like kind of like I don't want to hear that I don't want that on.

28:12.89
redwhitepodcast
Ah.

28:28.28
SaltyZencasterDave
And want that even possibly at me in any way. So I get it as a human being I get it.

28:29.58
redwhitepodcast
I get it I don't think like canes wasn't throw in threats or any yeah she yeah excited I get it but not necessarily I don't know.

28:38.11
SaltyZencasterDave
She wasn't cruel. Yeah yeah.

28:49.90
redwhitepodcast
Block worthy. Maybe the frequency might have gotten gotten people riled up I don't know I think that's.

28:56.80
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, my recommendation for um, any public figure is don't like search your name.

29:05.52
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, you got have thicker skin right? you getting paid a lot of money to do this and so our intern didn't even tweet at Kevin Keats he responded to the Pac Athletic account and it was asked something about questions or whatever and he responded is Kevin Keats a winner or Kevin Keats is a winner question market but Nancy State deleted and say deleted it first of all and say deleted their no they delete they're their post.

29:24.34
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh I mean you can't do that I mean you can't send it at an official thing wait they deleted his post. Oh I was like I didn't realize there was that power.

29:39.65
redwhitepodcast
Which is and then Kevin Keats blocks the intern who was not tagged in this and you know not tagged this anyway. So how did he find this.

29:46.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Okay, hey. Okay, here's this has been my biggest question is Kevin Keats are it's Kevin Keats on Twitter doing the blocking and if so. I would highly recommend to him like tweet at the person first and then block them kind of like matumpo style I think it would be funny. Um, but second if if there's like an intern or someone behind scenes. That's that's managing this and is just like I just kind of imagine that they're just like.

30:14.93
redwhitepodcast
I Think that it's got to be.

30:19.74
SaltyZencasterDave
They're not even telling Kevin about this. They're just like I'm so exhausted by this crap and they just block someone out of anger you know in the middle of the night I could see that and then like Kevin's getting this heat for blocking people and it's like Kevin's not even managing that account does does Kent does a Kevin Keats account

30:25.32
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

30:39.62
SaltyZencasterDave
Even tweet.

30:43.76
redwhitepodcast
That's a good quote. Yes, yes, it does definitely definitely and we know he does look at it and he does use it because he has made some comments towards other folks and their comments about him so he's definitely so he's out there.

30:44.28
SaltyZencasterDave
Okay, okay.

30:50.84
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

31:01.57
redwhitepodcast
Tweeting I don't know if he's the 1 blocking it. You're right? It could be. It could be an intern just like f this I'm just tired of it blocking people but he is definitely out there using that Twitter account. We know this because there's been other instances what he doesn't know.

31:15.47
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, it's it's I don't know.

31:20.23
redwhitepodcast
What these people are blocking. They don't know if you block and then unblock somebody it automatically unfalls them from you so you don't have to block them. They won't see your stuff anymore if you block somebody right? So if I block you and then I unblock you.

31:29.77
SaltyZencasterDave
Car answer that again.

31:39.41
redwhitepodcast
It automatically removes you from my followers so that you're not getting my updates. They can still search for it and probably follow you again. But it unfolls you for the time being. It's like us you know it's like a mute button almost but it's without it's a passive aggressive mute button.

31:42.50
SaltyZencasterDave
But then they could Okay, Okay, yeah, yeah.

31:54.89
SaltyZencasterDave
All right? Let's imagine. We're coaches for NCState I get football because I'm a football podcast guy and you you get golf. Um in your time like as coach and like you know, yeah, you got to be tweeting occasionally to keep up that social presence. Would you be searching to see like what people say about you.

32:17.83
redwhitepodcast
No man, you don't want you don't want any that I get enough heat from freaking podcast account if I had 100000 followers like some of these coaches do the amount of stuff that gets thrown at them like you don't go out seeking it. Why would you do that.

32:27.26
SaltyZencasterDave
That's yeah.

32:34.24
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah I mean I mean first off like you know that most yeah, okay, here's him with well okay on we'll take that offline but the thing is is like 1 you don't even know if these people are even state fans in general you know I don't know I just.

32:35.90
redwhitepodcast
Don't even check your mentions at that point. What's going on.

32:50.99
redwhitepodcast
You yeah.

32:53.83
SaltyZencasterDave
I Don't really care what people say ah about me and so for me I would be kind of of the mindset of my focus is my players. My focus is my program blocking. Well yeah, but I I.

33:04.60
redwhitepodcast
And that shows your level of maturity.

33:13.40
SaltyZencasterDave
I guess my thing is if people are complaining about the season or my job or whatever me blocking them doesn't stop them from continuing to tweet that. So the negative verifications will be out there. So unless they think that by blocking someone. It will change their behavior in some capacity. Um and improve somehow our social footprint I I don't see the value in it. So like I would just honestly recommend that no one ever Google their name or Twitter search for it because okay, let's say there's 99%. Really nice things and then the 1% of the fan base is just railing you in that in the tweets that night why Why why? bother blocking them who cares? Um, unless they really thought like I'm gonna block this person because it oh.

34:02.39
redwhitepodcast
You heard.

34:11.90
SaltyZencasterDave
It's gonna shift the social conversation around us I I don't see it. So.

34:14.11
redwhitepodcast
And ah and I know our intern doesn't tweet much and he so that that was was just such a random that was a random block because Kevin Keats was nowhere mentioned nowhere. You know it's a deleted tweet now like I I don't understand.

34:24.36
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

34:30.42
SaltyZencasterDave
Hey yeah, and she's probably known. She's probably known in that building so I could imagine like the frustration with and a person that's had some interactions with the program I assume.

34:32.80
redwhitepodcast
Kens I kind of understand he she was tagging him a lot and that but at some point like you know? yeah.

34:49.71
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, doing that and just being like hey come on. Let's let's get this under control. But I guess I would have like dmed them and said hey like um, you know you're not a nobody. Yeah um, but the same time It's like just the thought of.

34:55.44
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, poor working Can we're trying to get better. Yeah.

35:09.65
SaltyZencasterDave
Your basketball program at any level is spending time monitoring social media to that degree and blocking people. It's annoying but at the same time like again, it could just be literally. Someone's job. That's just like hey if someone's acting a fool and being a pain in the butt.

35:15.41
redwhitepodcast
Correct.

35:28.47
SaltyZencasterDave
Block them move on. Maybe that person had no idea whatever um I'm curious if it happens on other programs though.

35:31.84
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it's weird I don't know either way is it's. I Know fsu football does it because they blocked me. Ah.

35:42.62
SaltyZencasterDave
Well and that's what's crazy right? It's kind of like you know what? here's the thing the world will be a much better place if everyone behaved on Twitter like the bulk ball did and I always. Just think it's like just be fun. Have you know have a good attitude on there and if people are acting a fool like just ignore them. It doesn't matter. But there's probably some social media intern that is literally having to monitor all this stuff and is just.

36:06.60
redwhitepodcast
It's Twitter yeah.

36:12.13
redwhitepodcast
I Don't know.

36:13.79
SaltyZencasterDave
Like you know what I don't want to deal with this. They probably just send a message to hey you guys cool with I if I block this person and then they did it or maybe maybe didn't even ask, but it's just it's just not a good look just ignore it mute them. There's a literally a feature so that you never have to hear from again or.

36:25.11
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, just ignore it. Yeah yeah.

36:33.60
SaltyZencasterDave
If you're gonna do it I'd rather you tweet out from the official count and be like today's people that are blocked are bubble blah right? and you read off a list each day and have some fun with it that that would be my recommendation.

36:39.92
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah I will be amazing. Yeah.

36:50.59
SaltyZencasterDave
If if anyone from the school is listening today is is do it like that. That's.

36:54.99
redwhitepodcast
You're getting paid millions of dollars you need to have a little bit thicker skin. That's what it comes down to in this regard, especially in social media these days that's just the way it is like Fsu I get blocking me I'm an outsider I made a joke about Willie Taggert which I thought was hilarious. They didn't like it. But.

37:08.80
SaltyZencasterDave
It probably wasn't good joke I'm telling you guys right now. It probably wasn't a good joke.

37:12.70
redwhitepodcast
It probably wasn't a good joke but you know the do something campaign that's still I stand by it stand by.

37:16.54
SaltyZencasterDave
You know we should record these podcasts these videos because I'm sitting here. No one's watching and I'm off here looking off camera talking to an invisible person being like no one no one even thought that was funny. Maybe we should join the Youtube space and then we could end every one of these shows start every show we could start it with hey you know we really want to get to a thousand subscribers so that we can get ad revenue for our show and then we would put affiliated link links in it.

37:31.99
redwhitepodcast
And I know.

37:48.74
SaltyZencasterDave
This is why I feel like we've been missing the boat. We put affiliated links in it of 2 like yeti coolers and all this stuff on Amazon and then we'll get money when people click it because they appreciate us and they want us to get you know 2 to 4% of the sale and.

38:03.17
redwhitepodcast
Oh hold up speaking of I forgot forgot the ad reads our sponsors are sponsors I forgot I was I was gonna I need to change up my recording for living relief. Still check them out.

38:08.41
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, yeah, how come I never get to do the ad reads. Um.

38:20.64
redwhitepodcast
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38:28.40
SaltyZencasterDave
Let's let's do. Let's do a combined ad read for them next time. Let's do this. Let's team up.

38:31.67
redwhitepodcast
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38:39.16
SaltyZencasterDave
I'm in sales I can sell this stuff come on. Let me do it. Let me do this stuff I can do it? Um, okay, all right I'll to I'll sell it right now this is unscripted I received my home field. Ah hoodie. Ah, last week and I wore it for three days straight. It was extremely comfortable I did order a size up because I do recommend that unless you are a skinny model type the Homefield clothing is definitely modern, but um. It's super comfortable I've gotten lots of compliments from it inside the house and outside um and I think it's absolutely worth the money and you can use the code was it red white and you get it 15% off if you're a signing up for the first time for home field.

39:20.86
redwhitepodcast
A white.

39:26.92
SaltyZencasterDave
And if you are not signing up for the first time I recommend you create a new account and sign up for the first time so you can get that 15% off. Um great company, great designs, very comfortable looking forward to seeing what the ah what the apparel turns out to be down the road as far as designs are concerned. And um, you won't you won't be upset just make sure your order size up.

39:48.39
redwhitepodcast
My man Assad I think of brown sent name right? went a little overboard with his homefield purchases I think he bought 2 of everything he put a picture on Twitter I was like holy crap man that wouldn't fit in my closet and he bought that much stuff. But anyway. Thanks Homefield for sponsoring the podcast I appreciate it. Hopefully they made their money with their with their release. Yeah.

40:09.39
SaltyZencasterDave
They should have I mean based on those bar charts right? I mean I was a little mad that they didn't send a second like follow up bar chart I'd be curious if someone wants to tweet at them. Um, because I I mean we are up there with West Virginia and a few others as far as you know pretty high sales.

40:15.82
redwhitepodcast
M.

40:25.60
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

40:28.28
SaltyZencasterDave
And I think it just goes to what we had been saying all along in podcasts over a year ago when we were saying why aren't we on home field. Why aren't we doing this There's an untapped market for very fun creative vintage or new designs and the the department. Should embrace it and look inside the fan base for those design concepts so and then go outside of it. Um, but there's a broader market out there than what you've been putting in the stores and people are happy to spend their money on it and if you drop these releases at smart times. That coincide with the start of the football season basketball season baseball season. You guys could try to generate a lot of money at just for the department. But if you come up with ways to partner with Nc State folks who want to start an il type opportunities the athletes etc I think there's a. Ah, wide open venue for you guys to go generate cash and I think the Homefield apparel really proved that.

41:28.54
redwhitepodcast
Yeah yep and I think that it also lines up with the what we've been saying is that we just need more merch to Buy. We don't need coaches blocking exclusive merch for their own benefit like just give us some options Man. There's just not enough. Good stuff out there for us to buy. So.

41:49.14
SaltyZencasterDave
I guarantee they could sell 500 of those sideline polos that the coaches had during the what was that the first game of season. Yeah, those looks those look really sharp guys like we're not joking capitalize on it.

41:53.61
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:04.52
redwhitepodcast
All right? Keats 2023 is gonna be your basketball coach strongly believe this? ah I believe it is accurate I put this out there last week at some point that and even barring a. Just complete disaster coming in the season which I are coming to close the season Kevin Keats will be here next year so people are gonna have to deal with that and it's gonna be interesting. What is that.

42:30.70
SaltyZencasterDave
I support it I said I support it I was going wild in the chat that one day last week about it. Um.

42:40.16
redwhitepodcast
Why though like why do you sport it.

42:44.40
SaltyZencasterDave
I think there are some fair arguments around specifically around injuries I don't care how good the second or third person is supposed to be but I think having injuries concentrated at 1 spot makes a big impact. We saw it in football when the secondary got like. Practically wiped out during that 2019 season and it was just very hard for the team to cope with it. There were other entries that you don't don't get me wrong? Um, but it was most felt I think at that spot. So I definitely understand where they come from when they bring up Manny Bates and other's injuries. Um, two I would say I I have I have issues with other parts but I would like to say that my argument for like not challenging replacing Keats is the assumption that. The department will at least say dear Kevin please get better assistant coaches and let's work on the development of the guys that are here and improve the recruiting. You do not have a. Ncw a cloud over you any further. So maybe you do not need to have guys that I would say are overly loyal to you and grateful just to be here. Um, you don't need those types anymore. You're in the clear so get better assistance that should help with recruiting it should help with the transfer portal. Whatever this should help with development of our players. Um three I still appreciate his folksy personality and I think it sort of works so I would like to.

44:31.56
redwhitepodcast
Nof.

44:34.13
SaltyZencasterDave
See that stay here because I enjoy that for I don't think we have anyone better truly lined up right now. So I don't see the point of going through a coaching search just to rehash the same old crap if you are going to fire Kevin Keats and give me a significant upgrade at it I'm all for it.

44:34.98
redwhitepodcast
Well.

44:53.21
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, but that's just because I want to see us get better. But I just think the challenge for a guy like him is the team is relatively young I feel like there's a lot of I feel like there's like some unrealistic expectations in basketball that you. Have like significant jumps from like freshman year sophomore year um I think the covid year probably impacted them just like I did in football for a lot of programs. It's unfortunate that they didn't seem to improve the way that the football team did but whatever. Um, I mean the thing is like I mean like here's the thing I'd rather I know but then my most important part in the reeping up football is because I'm trying to transition to my other point and I've had a lot of whiskey. So my most important part is I don't want to fire a coach.

45:31.40
redwhitepodcast
That's a pretty big. Whatever.

45:47.35
SaltyZencasterDave
Without an obvious upgrade in hand because frankly, there's no need to burn buy out money that could be going to the programs that are doing a good job right now. Specifically football women's basketball baseball etc. There's no need to. Burn up millions of dollars just to make a change if you don't have a significant improvement in place and I just don't know who that is right now. Um, it's not saying that they're not out there. But. I'd rather give Kevin the extra year and say okay, you don't have the ncw to blame you don't have injuries to blame you've got time to go out and prove your staff if you want to you've got time to go out and get transfers. And bring in any additional recruits but performance is expected to improve if you can't improve it and it's got to improve beyond just getting to like five hundred or eleven and 9 or anything like that like we need to see serious improvement Kevin and. If. You don't see it then you can just say hey look you know the metrics are here where we want to be better than this It's a transition period for the entire league with u and c and duke etc going through coaching changes. There's no point in us actually being a bronze mental program. But it would be nice for us to at least be the bronze medal and we're not third placed right now so make us competitive and if you can't get as competitive next year then I don't want to really want to hear it but I'd rather give him an opportunity to prove that this is a twenty nineteen season

47:37.89
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

47:39.82
SaltyZencasterDave
And during that 2019 season in football we went and made significant changes afterwards and made improvements and it yielded immediate results and even though we suffered injuries in the twenty season I'm feeling good right now come on all right? That's fine. That's fine.

47:48.38
redwhitepodcast
All right? Let me cut you off, let me cut you off cause you're no no I'm cutting you off the 2019 comparison I don't like the comparison. Ah and we might have talking about this before but Dave had shown progress in other areas that have indicates that.

47:59.83
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah I think we did. Yep.

48:07.36
redwhitepodcast
Okay, we can get by with this. You're playing a lot of young guys. This basketball team's not young. Um, so I don't find those very app comparisons. The somebody gave us a question is you give Keats one more year and the roster next season will probably lose a lot. If is is it fair to give Kevin Keats one more year the roster next season will probably lose a lot What's the difference in firing this season or after next season I don't think 1 year does anything for you and so yeah, if you're on if you're saying hey.

48:36.22
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh okay I Want to add to that.

48:43.95
redwhitepodcast
Kevin here's you got another year I just what are you expecting to get out of that even his baseline has been middle of the pack so he gets us back to his baseline middle of the pack on the bubble is that good enough. Ah to me. Ah. Ah, yeah I need to see some real progress in order to say that that 1 year is worthwhile. Otherwise why are you waiting and just delaying the inevitable inevitable unless it's of you know, financial reasons.

49:14.32
SaltyZencasterDave
Well, the argument rate that we were that we were told a few months ago right was we've been under this and Nca cloud. It's been limiting our ability to get recruits. It's whatever's making all these impacts right? So that's gone. So the reason I say is give them a year and if you want to publicly say that it's not just another year. Whatever fine um, he doesn't have that excuse anymore. So you should be able to go out in the transfer portal now and be like we're all clear the school backs me, everything's good. come here come play you should be able to go out and get those one and done grad transfers that maybe were like I don't want to come here in case, there's not gonna be an opportunity to go to the tournament like let's hit the the excuses have been stripped away as far as I'm concerned at this point so I say give the guy a clean slate for the year and say.

49:58.79
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

50:11.62
SaltyZencasterDave
You got your year. You have no no bs back here that you can claim any further go out and show that you are an el leak coach. You are a winner. Go do it and there shouldn't be an excuse. Oh I don't have C Bra name well that's your fault. You did a great job identifying the c brons go go find another one. You should be able to go out in the transfer port and say look what we did for Darion. He was so good this year even in a bad year that he just got drafted or he's getting paid pro league money or bubble blah blah blah or he's still here look at all the and nil money he's getting.

50:36.76
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

50:46.23
redwhitepodcast
And so here's my question here's my question about this and is it a wow I'll get back to that. My my question is is Keats it is is this roster.

50:48.41
SaltyZencasterDave
It shouldn't be that hard.

50:55.24
SaltyZencasterDave
What. Um, well teaser.

51:05.26
redwhitepodcast
Does it show Keats's inability to identify transfer portal talent as we've seen with some issues and I'm not going back through this all game or is it the the the mythical cloud hanging over us I don't know how you determine one way the other other than.

51:19.94
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, you can't.

51:23.11
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it's it's a guess you know you have your opinion on one side and the other opinions on the other but that's the biggest question to me is that if you got 1 year yes, anything can be fixed with the portal is he capable of doing it I don't know to me that's a real question. My second part is the the football stuff gets played out kind of differently I think than the reality of you know, boo going to Dave and saying hey you get to replace your coaches that that's not how it happened. However, it happens if Kevin Keats

51:56.25
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, yeah.

51:59.61
redwhitepodcast
Is forced or it doesn't make changes to his staff which I don't think is too likely based on who he's hired before hiring his friends that kind of thing he still has to let them coach and let them do what they're good at and I don't believe. That is something he is capable of doing I believe he micromanages everything well then that's another part is you know? Yeah I don't know what the.

52:22.43
SaltyZencasterDave
Maybe he macromanages because they're not qualified to be at this level I mean again I feel like yeah, there's there's the psychological element I'm just gonna table for right now for my thoughts on Kevin Keats as a. Coach person. Whatever I'm gonna table that for a second I will say this. Ah the guys play really hard for him to a certain point every night right? to me. It's just like if you're not hitting shots like they wear against george tech for example, right. It like at at some point the exhaustion like kind of catches up with you the way they're managing the roster but I but way they just give me second second saying oh what? we'll come to that I want to answer your previous question are I think the problem with grad transfers and transfers in general is that.

53:03.56
redwhitepodcast
Well see. That's where I Just oh man, get me.

53:19.90
SaltyZencasterDave
There probably was the fear of coming to state and getting caught in a an nc doublea sanction moment which is why he should be able to bring in good transfers this year and if he doesn't bring in good transfers then I'd say that strike 1 for this. Ah for this season and then you can unload the other strikes from there. Um, what was your second point that you brought up a minute ago. Um, yeah I mean I I don't know man I think Kevin coaches.

53:47.37
redwhitepodcast
Planning is Coach's coach.

53:56.40
SaltyZencasterDave
I I think Evan Coach is a good coach in some capacity because he does get the guys to play really hard I'm disappointed that I'm not getting to see what I thought we were gonna get to see coming from his Wilmington days and I'm I will never let up off of that I thought we were gonna have a really fun version of basketball to watch.

54:07.30
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

54:15.45
SaltyZencasterDave
Um I just I don't know I think it's gonna be a true testament to your point. It's been said one way it's been said the other I'm pretty sure that the athletic department probably went to Dave Doran because they probably do end of year reviews and said Dave Doran what do you think you need in order to improve as a coach and put a better product on the field and Dave probably said I think I need better coaches and I really love the guys I've been fighting with with all these years but I need better guys and the department probably said no problem. How much do you need and let's go support football. Like this and I think that if Kevin Keats went to the department said one of the things I need is better assistant coaches and I'm gonna need a larger pool to get that and especially now that I've had this season and I'm gonna be under scrutiny I'm probably gonna need more money to get some of these hired guns to come in here and if the department says. I don't want to support you any further financially than Kevin keys is can be stuck where he is but that's the way I think those conversations typical about typically go I don't think state is one of those places where they the department comes in and says I think you need to replace coach x y and z like I don't think they're opera I don't think they're crazy I think they're just like. Do you think you need better coaches is that the problem do you need more money to get those guys fine here you go you know so maybe boo just that I just think that I I don't know that's how it comes across to me. Maybe that's not how it does to others.

55:44.15
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, and I get it my I Just don't On. Don't know if I believe that he is capable of doing you know of of I won't say tucking's tail. But. Making that ask right of saying hey I don't have um I don't have what I need or or I need more to be good I'm not sure what the right.

56:09.69
SaltyZencasterDave
But I think it's fair to give someone that opportunity and say hey I've got a what's our. What's our contract with them anyways is it for the next three years four years how long is it? Okay, so I think that I think it's fair to say dear coach.

56:22.00
redwhitepodcast
He's got 4 more evil 4 more left.

56:29.80
SaltyZencasterDave
You know whoever you are at this time you've got a 40 year contract what do you need to get better and if you don't have the ability to park your ego somewhat and say like I need to have better coaches and I need to risk having guys that might know something I don't know or whatever.

56:41.33
redwhitepodcast
Players.

56:48.20
SaltyZencasterDave
Then we've got a problem right? and then you'll resolve it by firing the person and then when it comes out and people are like oh I can't believe you fired Kevin Keats like look at all of the 500 plus seasons. He's given you yeah you come back and say.

56:58.29
redwhitepodcast
This.

57:02.60
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, we asked Kevin how he can improve our program because this is a rare opportunity for us to take control triangle which is the key to the acc basketball conference and he wasn't willing to get better coaches to take us there. We decided it was time to move in a different direction.

57:20.68
redwhitepodcast
Um P and him.

57:21.29
SaltyZencasterDave
Whatever like there's no, there's no negative Pr consequences there but I think it's fair to at least say hey man do you think that's what you need and if he says no and then he loses next season you say hey man you dug your own grave here. It's time to move on.

57:35.60
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I think you know what you got with him and that's my opinion I think you know what you got and the the and I've said this before the they got to make more shots argument just goes out the window when.

57:38.95
SaltyZencasterDave
Like. Yeah.

57:52.53
redwhitepodcast
You play games like Syracuse where you do make more shots and you still lose but at the same time your take your ever I wrote this on the website earlier last week you don't make many shots because you take a lot of bad shots now is that players or is that coaches I think it's a bit of both and.

57:53.97
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

58:10.98
redwhitepodcast
I know I just you kind of note you got but I believe Kevin Keats will be here next year so it's kind of a moot point. It's matter of does he have next year and the year after just next year go ahead, raise your hand. Yeah, see that.

58:23.48
SaltyZencasterDave
I'm raising my hand I'm raising my hand um, the the 1 thing I think ah that a lot of us casual fans or uneducated basketball masses sees is There's a lot of stuff that like coming out of timeouts end of game situations things like that. That it feels like from our perspective. The players aren't coached very well or the schemes aren't doing anything you know and I I think there is a valid feeling in the fan base that. They don't see us firing on all cylinders in those moments and so I think it's oh sorry.

59:00.19
redwhitepodcast
Well to add to that. Let me add to that Leah just to add to that. It's um, some people who know basketball far better than I do who are coaches or related to basketball programs have expressed. Concern with exactly that schemes execution things like that and it's like you could put in nil money. Get some guys back next year but are you gonna get anything out of them.

59:21.95
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

59:37.61
redwhitepodcast
Based on what you've seen from them this year it so yeah are they better than coaching right? Is it gonna hot. Yeah, and that's the question.

59:38.96
SaltyZencasterDave
Can their talent over ah overcome maybe that yeah because the thing I keep the key thing I keep thinking about Evan is um I cannot remember the team it was in the mit tournament a few years ago right that whoever that the one with a kid that like went off for like 40 or 50 points whoever it was um but I were to simply remember that coach on the other sideline who probably would never last in the acc what's consistently drawing up these out of time out plays that were crushing us.

01:00:14.48
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:00:16.93
SaltyZencasterDave
And I kept thinking like oh man, that's what I miss I miss like old school like tacticition type coaches that you give them that timeout you give them that thirty second break they draw something up and it beats what you put on the court and I don't expect us to do that every single time. But it's like that's the kind of improvement you want to see and you just ask yourself. How can you be this good to get this far and yet you can't bring that element in. So if they can fix that in the offseason I would love it. Was it Winthrop no that doesn't sound right.

01:00:44.13
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:00:50.15
redwhitepodcast
For what.

01:00:51.74
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, the team and the it the I that beat us um lips come? Yeah, yeah yeah I Really appreciated that stuff and you know again, there's more to upper level basketball.

01:00:54.81
redwhitepodcast
Um, Lipscomb yeah Garrison Harrison Garrison yeah that guy was awesome.

01:01:09.67
SaltyZencasterDave
Especially on the recruiting side that I feel like kind of filters out coaches like that in some capacity so you're trying to find the best of both Worlds I guess but I think it's fair to be concerned about that and I I guess I feel better hearing you say that people in the know that aren't just casual fans say like yeah, this.

01:01:23.37
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:01:27.82
SaltyZencasterDave
This is something that we need to improve upon.

01:01:27.89
redwhitepodcast
I think I put in the pod chat I got text message from somebody who's former coach in a state fan and what he had said was essentially that right? So um. I said oh my earlier because somebody just sent me a panoramic of the stadium. It's also in the pod chat 24 minutes before the game and I know it's 24 minutes for the game. But yeah, the others. But.

01:01:55.17
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh don't do this. Don't do this to us we get. We get railed on Twitter when we do this.

01:02:03.11
redwhitepodcast
Um, not putting on Twitter's on the podcast. There's 7 people at this game right now. Yeah yeah, theyrena sorry so it's ah yeah, and we're on baly. Yeah yeah.

01:02:03.33
SaltyZencasterDave
Now it I went correct you it was the arena right? hold on a second wait. This is a home game and we're on bally oh Mike you got it. Okay, here's the thing Acc Network I guarantee I would pay for this. Maybe someone else would just give me a live feed from like ah Jvc Camcorder you know three quarter angle I'm in and then let let podcasters or whatever do the announcing for it.

01:02:28.30
redwhitepodcast
Um, get f yeah hell yeah yeah.

01:02:40.00
SaltyZencasterDave
It's it's not that hard to get people to watch just the stuff. Oh man I'm doing such a good job tonight I think I've avoided every curse word. Ah it's gonna be a hard 30 minutes

01:02:44.79
redwhitepodcast
Mom is gonna be so happy. All right real quick I want to get there's some football. It's an hour I'm hungry. It's dinnertime. There's some football questions Ear Mclaughlin entered transfer portal one of the very few that we've had hit the portal. Are you concerned.

01:03:02.89
SaltyZencasterDave
Good riddance now. Um I you know I guess I'm not surprised I was a little upset at the time. Um, yeah.

01:03:03.75
redwhitepodcast
What are your thoughts.

01:03:19.60
SaltyZencasterDave
Here's my thoughts if Aaron Mcoffham was really gonna be the guy I think we would have worked him in for some packages last year we would have seen him involved especially in games where we were struggling to run the ball just give that element. It sucks. It feels like he has the physical tools that would really help us out. But. I've always been concerned about ah the game between the shoulder pads the helmet the neck. Whatever um, yeah, you know? yeah simple thing man when you see someone have a bad mustache. You always wonder.

01:03:44.98
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, fears.

01:03:56.65
SaltyZencasterDave
And um, you know it's interesting I'm curious to see what this means as far as Ryan not Ryan Finley Ben Finley and you know people are like oh mg morris ball. Well Mj Morris isn't even here yet, he's playing baseball right now for his high school team. So I don't think Aaron Mcofflin was concerned about that.

01:03:58.20
redwhitepodcast
I'm gonna i'm. Ben. Yeah.

01:04:15.96
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, to me it just means that Eric Mclaughlin has not developed enough I get that he wants to play but he was never going to supplant Larry he wasn't going to be the starter this year so

01:04:19.95
redwhitepodcast
Um, right? but he thought I think he assumed lear was leaving good year Lee Bounces and that's his window.

01:04:34.57
SaltyZencasterDave
Well, that just shows you his mental fortitude because oh I'm no I'm not I'm not because there was a very low chance in my opinion that Devin Leary was going now. He could have been waiting to see what his draft draft grade is.

01:04:38.44
redwhitepodcast
Stop it. Love it now.

01:04:48.64
redwhitepodcast
Take.

01:04:52.86
SaltyZencasterDave
But leery announced. He was coming back How far back from now and now you announced Oh I'm just saying like you know I'm sure he's waiting for an opportunity. He's a little bit older for his age again which to me is a negative if you're older for your age.

01:04:55.14
redwhitepodcast
Oh well. Yeah, the timing I'm just talking about previously I Yeah he was waiting for an opportunity where is he gonna land.

01:05:11.53
SaltyZencasterDave
Coming into your class and you're struggling to beat Ben Finley um either Ben Finley is better than what we saw in that UC game and that very limited action which I don't think he is if I'm being honest I think he's a great service whole backup. But if you can't beat the Ben Finley then move on good luck.

01:05:29.23
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

01:05:31.15
SaltyZencasterDave
Have fun. You know I'm frankly I'm more excited about Mj Morris than Air Mclaughlin um yeah but here's the thing man.

01:05:39.57
redwhitepodcast
My concern is the backup quarterback position. This year is being so important. But again if you end up with your backup quarterback then you're in it the years yet get get to adjust your expectations. Sure.

01:05:50.29
SaltyZencasterDave
Saw we saw Bailey Hockman survive as a backup quarterback but I thought Ben finly honestly in limited snaps was better than Bailey Hockman um and Bailey Hockman quit football the year after so I think we'll be fine and I know you're hungry I'm hungry. Let's move on Eric Mclaughlin

01:05:57.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:06:06.67
redwhitepodcast
I think mcloughal ends up at Ucf with the gus buss and they go run him to death so be interesting.

01:06:10.12
SaltyZencasterDave
Good luck is his girlfriend there his high school girlfriend. That's probably the better question is wherever she landed. That's where he's going.

01:06:16.80
redwhitepodcast
No idea ah hypothetical time question we got would you trade an Acc Title Acc title and football this year if it meant the team never goes above Eight Nine wins for the next decade yeah so no, brain know the easiest question ever we've ever gotten yeah

01:06:27.67
SaltyZencasterDave
Absolutely. Ah.

01:06:34.29
redwhitepodcast
Eight Nine wins will be an awesome ten years right? winning. Okay all right I'll say that one ah yeah 61% of power 5 teams have a new offensive coordinator this year just a random note that I wanted to add.

01:06:35.13
SaltyZencasterDave
Save save this. We'll we'll come back to this for another episode and talk about even more in depth of why I would trade that in we got to eat come on. Well.

01:06:51.34
SaltyZencasterDave
Do you does that make you feel better or worse about Tim Beck

01:06:52.62
redwhitepodcast
Um.

01:06:56.40
redwhitepodcast
Ah I don't think it changes my thoughts on Tim back.

01:07:01.33
SaltyZencasterDave
Makes me more confident I think there's too much I think there's I think there's too high of expectations for offensive quarters in general again. Let's come back to that one next time too.

01:07:05.20
redwhitepodcast
I agree. Okay I see that? yeah.

01:07:15.21
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, then a lot of the question football roster thoughts any hopeful additions. Yeah, that's that's still my only rosster thought some allah.

01:07:23.78
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, an offensive line. Um, actually my hope my hopeful edition is Zavala somehow getting a waiver. What is the second what is this fourth one here life advice.

01:07:36.40
redwhitepodcast
All right? Yeah so I heard I read this quote and this is this is done I'm gonna save the n nil stuff for another time. We're an hour and 10 minutes in so we got ah an nil conversation that we could probably have a whole podcast on. But since Mahe has got life all figured out now and doesn't ask us any more questions I saw this quote the other day and I know we have a lot of young listeners that I want to read I thought was a good quote and says successful habits in your twenty s will show in your thirty s. And just really liked that I thought that was a good way to to end and I know there's a lot of people that are in that demographic that listen to us. So.

01:08:15.67
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:21.38
SaltyZencasterDave
I would um well do we want to talk about that at a later date I guess or well I think it might not necessarily be successful habits but just the habits and experiences of your 20 s show in your thirty s pay off in your 30 s.

01:08:27.26
redwhitepodcast
What.

01:08:40.81
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, I think you change especially in employment or careers. You're coming out of college your 25 to 30 range is still especially at least for me still feels young, fun and your. Kind of like working your way through it. Um, and even as you get through your 30 s at least for younger people now I feel like this when it starts to slow down a little bit. Um. Yes, the successful habits are and really important. But I don't know man I just I still think your twenty s are really like your melting pot time and um, unless you find a career. Opportunity. That's really worth sticking around for and this is coming from someone who's been winning his job for over fourteen years so take that with a gran salt. But um I had the opportunity. What's up.

01:09:39.79
redwhitepodcast
I'm not to talk about career I So not even I don't think about it in the context of career I think about it in the context of like health and you know long longevity like what are you? you know? are you building.

01:09:47.55
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh for sure.

01:09:55.35
redwhitepodcast
Are you investing? Are you building a financial freedom into your future those grants those are the kind of habits that I think I was probably fifty fifty on when I in my twenty s I did some of them really? Well I think I did some them really bad. So ah.

01:10:03.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh yeah, yeah, if we want to have the how you should do your twenty s better. Um podcast. Yeah I'll just a quick hint. Um.

01:10:13.11
redwhitepodcast
Let's say that for the off season because we're gonna need some content.

01:10:19.25
SaltyZencasterDave
Maximize that four zero one k contribution to 30% while you're under a certain threshold. Um, yeah, that that'll be a good offseason talk topic. But yeah I miss those manheh questions.

01:10:22.10
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

01:10:27.55
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, all right? So just one day. Yeah, me too. Anyway, there. It's we have a whole Nl thing in this document that we didn't get to but this is getting long and that's a really really deep conversation that we we need to have so Ah, try to get will back on the mics at some point here shortly so we can do another one after I dinner.

01:10:49.60
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh well now that I'm healthy and through all the life's dramas from the last few weeks I mean we can just do these all the time. No problem.

01:10:59.47
redwhitepodcast
Pack baseball 5 a no nineteen to 3 win today. Tommy white continues to be tommy white. And yeah, let's go watch the pack basketball somewhere on valley sports and as always thanks for listening.

01:11:16.70
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, send us a link to illegally stream the game please.

01:11:19.89
redwhitepodcast
So yeah, reddit RNt a b ball streams is where you find your stuff fairby voice ass but's there yeah bal still sucks. Go back.

01:11:33.50
SaltyZencasterDave
Unbelievable, Yeah, go back.