Ep 258 - Optimistic April, Hoops & Football Recruiting, NIL & Making Apps.

Basketball & Hoops Recruiting, NIL, Pendleton, UNC Sucks, Pack winning the Natty, Spring Game Review.

Apr 22, 2022 51 min read
Ep 258 - Optimistic April, Hoops & Football Recruiting, NIL & Making Apps.

Basketball Recruiting & NIL
How do we level up football recruiting (re: Pendleton and other OL in NC)?
Terquavion
Optimistic April
UNC Sucks
Spring Game review

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00:22.84
redwhitepodcast
Alright folks, we are back with another edition of the red my podcast I'm your host Evan here with my friend who's on the dl will how are you doing I don't know got nice pack on his arm. He's taking this seriously.

00:30.34
SaltyZencasterDave
Am I on a dl that's true. The yeah yeah I guess I am I thought you might't like the down low.

00:41.51
redwhitepodcast
Um, no, we're not that hip.

00:45.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, yeah, we're fresh, um I'm doing good how you doing.

00:49.00
redwhitepodcast
Good I Still speaking Afresh I Still don't understand cap. So the kids all put the little blue cap when they say no cap like no lie, not lying cap I don't understand the connection.

01:00.80
SaltyZencasterDave
Well I always thought it had to do with caps lock. So that's my thought. Um we will go to the internet. What does no cap mean I know but where'd it coming from.

01:04.90
redwhitepodcast
No no cap.

01:12.17
redwhitepodcast
Um, it means no lie like I'm not lying but I don't understand but I don't know. Yeah, my heshe is all time.

01:19.48
SaltyZencasterDave
Go to urban dictionary does not always have like the history of where the hell this happened the use of the phrase is meant to convey authenticity and truth originated in reference to decorative gold teeth which can be divided into 2 distinct varieties permanent gold teeth aka perms or caps pullouts.

01:34.37
redwhitepodcast
Quote.

01:37.47
SaltyZencasterDave
Whereas Caps can be pulled out with ease perms as the name suggests are permanent. Don't you think it should be like yeah no cap. Yeah, yeah, and I guess Golden teeth weren't available in emoji form.

01:40.49
redwhitepodcast
Ah, oh no cap got it. So it's not It's not a fake. Okay I got it now but the blue hat doesn't make any sense. Learned something new every day I've been asking for months what that meant and nobody ever answered me. They just keep saying it. Yeah, oh well, it's it's been a little business we we've spoken and there is some system stuff going on.

01:55.69
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah I don't get perms. Oh man.

02:11.47
redwhitepodcast
And just spent an hour today on the ips pod talking about all of the basketball transfers comings and going. So if you want to hear thoughts on basketball I promise well we wouldn't talk basketball. You can go there with me.

02:22.70
SaltyZencasterDave
No no actually I've been like busy the last few days what to where do we stand I saw we got 1 guy and then did we get another? Do we get 2

02:29.58
redwhitepodcast
We we we might feel the teams here. So I put that I put that tweet out and said yes listen guys we're gonna fill the field the team and like half the people took it seriously after people didn't it was really funny like I was definitely kidding because we're definitely gonna field the team. But. When Sean Phillips decommitted because they obviously fired Mike Summy who was the guy that recruited him and he didn't really have a relationship with any other coaches somehow it was a no bringer that he was not going to stick and then I mean I kind of get it right? They need.

03:00.10
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

03:05.42
redwhitepodcast
Kesey's a win. He needs some older guys that can play. He's not looking to bring in high schoolers and freshmen to you know, build a program like that's what he's doing. He's trying to win now so he can get out. So.

03:15.64
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, I mean like if that works right? Why not just keep doing it like I still.

03:20.23
redwhitepodcast
Well some teams are gonna keep doing it right? But it's it's not gonna be I don't know you have to really excel in the portal in order to make it really stand out right? It'll probably get you middle of the pack I mean 8 9 10 probably right? where we'll finish next year

03:37.72
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

03:39.55
redwhitepodcast
Based on you know, flipping the whole roster but got the guard from Ole Miss Jaquele Joiner I think he's a pretty good ad it's hard to tell with recruiting and like 1 of my buddies told me is like I I'm tired of believing basketball recruiting I believe it when they show up on the court and they actually play.

03:55.23
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, yeah.

03:58.64
redwhitepodcast
You know, which is you know, very true right? We've seen I've seen it over the years Ryan Harrow and the mixtapes and you know everybody was always the next coming and we just never and never came to fruition.

04:01.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, it seems like.

04:08.86
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, and I feel like basketball too seems to be man. It just seems like they're they have like the Mba model where it's like we're just going based off of ceiling and these guys come in. They've got crappy fundamentals. They seem to have like no like legit.

04:19.20
redwhitepodcast
Right.

04:26.75
SaltyZencasterDave
Basketball iq because they've basically just you know been alpha dogs for the last four or five years of their life and yeah I kind of agree I'm just like get here play I'd rather have guys that have been kind of you know a 6 man or an all blank conference guy I'd rather go that direction.

04:42.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

04:45.52
SaltyZencasterDave
I want a known commodity. It's why I like the way insu state's been targeting guys in football too I mean it just why not I have no pride I don't care like I'm not invested in these guys anymore like you know what? I mean like probably not since the days of like Cj Leslie in those types like have I really cared.

04:55.10
redwhitepodcast
Right.

05:04.26
SaltyZencasterDave
And then like after you just kind of realize like oh this guy's only gonna be here maybe one or two years 3 if you're lucky like I don't care I don't care if it's Joe blow off the street as long as he can ball.

05:13.11
redwhitepodcast
My my theory on it is that you have to when you're a program in the middle like we are you have to keep some talent I think it's the same thing applies to football you have to keep talent and develop them let them get older so you're old and then you fill In. You can with the portal because you're going to lose a guy I or 2 here or there and you could pick up guys here and there but I think you can't base your whole program around it every year I Just don't think that's going to be sustainable so they need to and I think the difference between football and basketball is is the culture.

05:46.27
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

05:47.27
redwhitepodcast
Right? guys want to stay and play for Dave that you know keys can't keep a kid here and whatever the reason is I know winning helps. That's that's you know, part of it but you still have to give them a reason to to want to stick around and I think you should be able to use and nnil to help you there in that regards like there's going to be a way where you're gonna keep some of these fringe guys like there's no reason that carolina over the years should have been able to keep as many guys as they are like you know bacot's coming back. It just blew me away I don't know.

06:19.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, they pay a lot of money I.

06:23.48
redwhitepodcast
Right? I mean that's that's what they should be doing right? and I else should help you keep those fringe pros here for another year and let them develop I think you probably would have seen that from like a guy like Trevor Lacy who wanted to get a paycheck somewhere like.

06:36.15
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

06:40.38
redwhitepodcast
You know if if we had our stuff in order like they have for years I Think the outcomes will be a little different.

06:45.59
SaltyZencasterDave
And let me ask you a question where's many Bates going.

06:52.15
redwhitepodcast
Ah, that's a good one I don't know no.

06:54.69
SaltyZencasterDave
Um I can't believe that's one taking this long and 2 like it's just you know hey here's what I'm surprised. There's not been any like here's what we're hearing um I was just curious I was driving today and I was just thinking about that I was also thinking how.

06:58.82
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

07:14.17
SaltyZencasterDave
I still think we shouldn't let Sean Phillips out of his ah loi that fast. But that's just me I just think I think I shouldn't have been reamed because I think I'm correct in that we should have at least allowed you know I would been like no, you made a commitment to this school one too.

07:16.96
redwhitepodcast
It was your old man take will got ringed in the chat for that 1

07:33.90
SaltyZencasterDave
Least Let us get the staff hired tell us you think there're a bunch of Jokers like Su he wasn't even gonna coach him He wasn't his position. You know I get that you don't have a connection with everyone else like that's weird. Let's just say that that's weird but you know I.

07:39.49
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

07:50.38
SaltyZencasterDave
I am like kind of like the one like got kind of drop freaking line in the sand here a little bit you know curious to see where he ends up.

07:56.26
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, so we got that happening Darkquell Joiner came the kid from la Sal Jack Clark who to me is um, another jericho helems I think they're very similar and. Maybe he might be a horse shooter but maybe a better defender I'm not sure how that blaze out. But yeah I don't know if he'll yeah I don't know if he will take fourteen foot fadeaways you know back to the basket faaways.

08:17.38
SaltyZencasterDave
Is he willing passable is he willing to pass the ball when he's not on a heater.

08:28.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh god benam bench him when they do that Evan.

08:32.65
redwhitepodcast
But yeah, so we got those those 2 landers's knowledgellie still waiting in the wings the kid they thought they're go get Louis Rodriguez end up at un lv Tur cuvion just hired an agent. And know there's a mean thing in these days you can still come back with an agent but again do what you know watch what they so do not what they say you know right? It did it said something like that. But it was also written like a goodbye message.

08:51.84
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah I thought his announcement that he was gonna have an Nc double a approved agent or something like that. Whatever that means.

09:08.34
redwhitepodcast
He I just I don't think he's come back I'd be very surprised if he comes back like you said the Nba will take a flyer on a guy who has potential and maybe not all the fundamentals and you know I think Shi Quagan's got a lot of that. But.

09:12.85
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, I just.

09:23.50
SaltyZencasterDave
I mean let me just ask you this I mean I get g league or whatever doesn't pay as much. But if you're that close to being like a fringe Mba player aren't you better off just going and playing in a league and just doing it all the time.

09:40.84
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, you would think I would wonder how hard it is to make that transition like or what do you need to do in the G League or the euro league to really get the attention of the Nba right.

09:54.12
SaltyZencasterDave
Well I feel like um actually what would be more interesting to me is just seeing a player like Tur Turquovian like transition because at that level dudes aren't gonna put up with him herobawing like he does you know unless he's just. Actually hitting shots. It would be curious to see like if he would rein it in a little bit I guess what I'm saying is like being around other experienced good players. Maybe that would actually develop his game. You know like I don't know if it's actually great for him to come back here and then be taking what.

10:13.63
redwhitepodcast
Ah, yeah.

10:29.32
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, what was he even averaging like shot attempt wise.

10:30.83
redwhitepodcast
I looked up earlier was like 10 3 is a game by the end of the year his splits were unbelievable. Um, yeah I mean he takes a lot of shots all right. That's not a surprise anybody I think to me he's one of those guys that just wants to play ball.

10:34.18
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

10:47.25
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

10:48.86
redwhitepodcast
And he'll do whatever he can to get paid playing ball whether we're gonna pay him or you know it's it just takes one scout to say hey we we're like your game you're in the draft I think we might take you and you know we've seen guys make worse decisions before. So.

11:05.83
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah I mean if our collective ever emerges and wants to give people money that would be interesting to see if that could wipe the appeal of 1 league in the g league or being ah into the second round pick or something like that.

11:08.90
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

11:22.30
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, that that collective is supposed to be announced about a month ago still not still not hear anything about it. You know.

11:23.58
SaltyZencasterDave
Um.

11:27.76
SaltyZencasterDave
I I mean what's why not even just announce you're actually forming you know.

11:34.88
redwhitepodcast
Or we're doing something. Yeah yeah, we we want somebody's money but not not us I Guess apparently.

11:41.28
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah I just saw like the Florida Gators are doing something very similar where they're having like these elite donors put together package again. I'm just I'm very confused by all this and why everyone thinks that crowdfunding with a couple key people. Making the decisions and ideally not taking a stupid amount of profit from from that money. Um I'm just surprised me more people don't do it I think it would be easier to get a hundred bucks from 30 from you know, maybe 10000 people then to sit there and go beg and borrow and and steal for for money from others. But maybe I'm wrong I don't know.

12:26.43
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah I don't really know what we're doing or when they're gonna talk about what we're doing. It's It's kind of a I don't know still on an anomaly ah on what our plans are and how we are gonna impact it.

12:38.59
SaltyZencasterDave
I'm still laughing at what we said we were gonna pay the person running that thing like I'm just that's just stupid I mean your job is literally take money and then go basically be I don't know if it's a 1 person job I guess great.

12:43.41
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

12:56.16
SaltyZencasterDave
But I'm just afraid like okay, we're gonna raise 2 3 $4000000 and then um, 20% of that is going to be compensation for people running it like I start raising my eyebrows.

13:06.30
redwhitepodcast
Right? Yeah, but that's what we do So one day we'll get out of our own way and some of these things and actually you know benefit from it I Guess it's the right word from. But.

13:11.82
SaltyZencasterDave
Now.

13:25.12
redwhitepodcast
Overall, we will fill the team for basketball like I don't know what who's gettingnna like who they're gonna fill in I mean seen some names Trump but the big the big guy from Utah who's been at like 7 schools that they're trying to get I don't know.

13:40.90
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, how many spots do we have left. That's a better question. How many ships do we have open.

13:44.63
redwhitepodcast
I think I think it technically depends on seabron and turquovion who have not officially said they were leaving it. So I think that means there's 1 spot that they both leave in this three? Yeah. So something or somewhere out between 1 and 3 at the moment but you know things are fluid. We'll see how that works as they say. Yeah, so we hadn't talked about it surprisingly spring game was last weekend.

14:10.88
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh man.

14:20.72
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh I definitely got time to watch I was glued to that game. Are you kidding me first I had to be all in because I made bets for Aunt Smith this year because my my man.

14:21.33
redwhitepodcast
Did you get a chance to watch.

14:38.30
SaltyZencasterDave
Chris Scott Junior is currently on the on the injured list and suffice to say I gonna win that bet based on what we saw. Um I thought it was you know I mean like when the first team is playing the second team defense I expect them to whip. No matter what? but um. You know Leary looked pretty pretty darn good out there and um I was listening to the twenty four seven review today for nsy state and I do think that courty made a fair point that leary didn't really get unleashed. Until probably the Clemson game you know and really trusted to go win games I mean I'm pretty sure we stopped doing running back passes on the goal line and started trusting our quarterback and I was trying to pull up the stats I don't know if they broke it out. Yeah Devin Leary had let's see that's.

15:16.33
redwhitepodcast
Right.

15:34.65
SaltyZencasterDave
Passing 34 attempts and one half for three hundred and fifty five yards and three touchdowns and then you know one 1 pick where you know I'm sure he wishes to have that throwback but I will take that ratio any day of the week I'll take a 3 to 1 and i. I'm curious to see if for full game like what they're gonna do I didn't run the numbers right before this but I want to say they were averaging 30 plus 35 or more attempts a game by the end the season I go pull it up in a minute here. But I think you. I guess I'm gonna be surprised if we're not a pass heavy team this year based on what we just saw and you know I think Jordan Houston I'll be curious to see like what he does on the ground. It's hard to see with the format of that that game I definitely like what he did out of the.

16:24.99
redwhitepodcast
So let me I mean it let me catch you off here. So we can get some thoughts organized on this one for you random? Ah, first of all, it wasn't the second team defense. It was probably a third and fours based on injuries.

16:29.24
SaltyZencasterDave
Backfield catching the ball. Yeah, only had like 1 or 2 but none. Ah.

16:38.96
SaltyZencasterDave
Why not shh.

16:43.73
redwhitepodcast
What not second team defense was playing with the what the the take of the ones. So fair enough fair enough you you mentioned Jordan Houston that to me has always been one of the the primary concerns.

16:45.85
SaltyZencasterDave
Hey look we recruit so well, they're practically our second team defense man come on.

17:01.17
redwhitepodcast
What did you see of Houston Sumo Mims who I think somebody else got to care my cloan got a carry a couple carries. How do you feel the running game is going to be.

17:10.57
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, man, it's just it's just really hard to tell. Um I've got this theory I've been thinking about it last few days that um like going back and rethinking about how all the. You know, a lot of the pre-season articles with Bam and Ricky like they were both like talking about how they were going to like manage their workload and like they were trying to get to the league and it was like you know, no one wants to be the bell cow. Basically no one wants to earn. Um, you know, get too many hits and. Just kind of wonder man like going back into that year it's like were they always giving it a hundred like were they really hungry the whole time because I feel like a Jordan Houston is gonna be like an attack dog out there and you know I'm not sure what he's gonna necessarily do in the run game. Just think maybe he brings more in the past game at least and maybe he's going to be out there a lot more than we were thinking but I don't know mems it's it's just tough to tell I think Mim's is a kind looks like he's gonna be like a contact runner. So of course we didn't get to see much of that in the in the spring game like I say they started kind of tackling at the end. Um, sumo looked really good catching the ball I mean I just feel like they're going to really use him in a lot of passing situations this first year. Um, and then Michael Allen I mean like looked decent. You know I feel like with Alan I'm just I'm keeping my expectations low a little bit just because he's still coming off that injury.

18:31.51
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

18:44.40
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, so it's gonna be hard. But I think you know isn't Beck historically known to be really utilize his running backs in the passing game a lot and I think these guys as a whole looked like better at that than Ricky and um, bam.

18:53.53
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

19:02.73
SaltyZencasterDave
Like they just all looked more natural out there. Um.

19:05.32
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, you know we talked about it last we talked about it a lot that the running game last year was disappointing to say the least like just not as strong as you thought you would thought it was gonna be right I think going into the season. Even.

19:15.60
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

19:23.74
redwhitepodcast
The staff thought it was going to be just based on the tendencies of the early games and just how much they ran the ball versus throwing it and I thought and I wonder how much they're gonna have to go the other direction now and lean into leary versus the running backs because like you said you know they're inexperienced. Are they going. They're not going to give that group a workload like that I'm still Surprised. They haven't picked up a portal running back and they still might I think there's probably a tackle in a running back if they're if they're looking for players because that doesn't make sense to me though.

19:56.12
SaltyZencasterDave
I mean I've heard Db Um I mean they probably think someone's gonna transfer my guess is they think my my guess is they think someone's gonna transfer. Maybe um.

20:03.19
redwhitepodcast
Db feels like they're pretty loaded who I mean yeah, we're still over the limit. So somebody's got to go.

20:12.45
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, but they still want to even though we're over the limit right? They still want to add like 1 2 you know so it's like okay at least 2 guys got to go or 3 guys got to go? Um I don't know if we need another running back. We need another quarterback I mean. I mean Ben familyly looked like what I thought Ben Philliate was um, um, I'm just still a little I've just miffed at he just doesn't seem to have the offense under control yet. Um now I mean I I mean anyone that's playing on the white team like was like.

20:31.81
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

20:48.83
SaltyZencasterDave
Completely disadvantaged for sure that pick looked awful. Um, but you know backups are backups for a reason I guess like I'm just I'm ready for Mj Morris to get here like my thing is I don't care if you're not a great passer if you're an elite runner i. When you start getting in the I'm kind of a good runner I'm an okay passor that's where I get worried and I'd rather have a guy that can give us a dimension back there even if it's one dimension as long as it's a good dimension and I'm just not seeing it really yet with Finley. Um. But you know, maybe that maybe that changes over the summer and gets it under control who knows so I think we need I I would get a backup quarterback and even if it's just a guy who's literally just a runner like I don't care. Just get someone that like if Larry goes down you could be like all right we can make this guy work for a game or 2 um. Maybe get a bowl and and go from there.

21:50.15
redwhitepodcast
That might be my worst nightmare this year I mean this year is everything's in line. Everything is lining up where we want it and if we if we lose like leary is probably the 1 guy you can't lose like you said there's not a whole lot of depth behind him like I don't think you expect Mj Morris to do much. Being a true freshman coming in the summer you know Finley should be the guy I don't know if you go to the portal and can you find somebody who's gonna be better than Finley.

22:21.68
SaltyZencasterDave
That's why I I think you just target someone even if it's like an Fcs guy like again like just find someone who's got wheels like and then you can bring Finley in and then bring the other guy in and be like fight it out like on it look man I think. Aside from knowing the offense I I'm still like not saying anything from Finley that's like Acc quarterback and if Devin Leary goes to the Nfl after this season I don't think Ben Finley should be the starter next year like I just just doesn't have it man.

22:42.48
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

22:54.87
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

22:56.19
SaltyZencasterDave
Like he seems like a really nice kid and everything and I'm appreciative for all the things. The Finley family has done for us. Um, but like I'd rather see mj or lex next year than watch finling because it's kind of like with. We said it with like with Leary. It's kind of you go back and with Wilson and others I just want to see the good guys I'll I'll go through the bad season with the good guys if it gets them. They're 50% faster.

23:23.38
redwhitepodcast
Right? Well there was all kinds of rumors that Finley was going to transfer after this season right? I think we might even even talked about it and I think most of us were kind of expecting it to happen and we're surprised when it hadn't happened.

23:33.94
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

23:41.91
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, now he needs to say because we don't have anything behind him. But yeah, they I like let's be honest, if lyric goes down your season is not gonna be the season you thought it was so let's just pray that that does not happen and we don't run into those issues.

23:52.12
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah I I mean the best thing for us would be right like go out and get up like four scores on ecu to start the year and then throw Finley in there on the road with a margin and like see if he can manage the game.

24:10.60
redwhitepodcast
Crime.

24:11.35
SaltyZencasterDave
And if it'll slow down for him because I mean I think that's just what was ah kind of annoying to me is when I was watching the game. It. It just doesn't seem like it's slowed down for him and he's not really hitting. He's not like throwing guys open and like they always talk all the little tidbits are always like oh you know he's. Very instinctive and yada yeah yada and then like's kind of watching the games like damn man he seems to like be making this way harder than it needs to be um, but because of that he made Anthony Smith look really good on a few catches so seems like it might have been worth it.

24:46.45
redwhitepodcast
I lost my very thought on that one. Um I mean is Anthony Smith gonna be all Acc let's go.

24:56.60
SaltyZencasterDave
Is he still technically a freshman. No he can't be right now. Um by the end of his career for sure. Yeah I mean it just seemed pretty obvious that he clearly has a different gear.

24:59.17
redwhitepodcast
No, it can't be.

25:15.80
SaltyZencasterDave
And if you're gonna throw it 35 times and a half I'm sure the game rules dictated that. But I mean last year we averaged about 35 passes a game with leeary if that's gonna up to 40? Let's say let's say they's really go pass happy all year um and that means like 2 or 3 more deep shots to a guy like Anthony Smith who also seems to have grown his rout tree like it's kind of hard to imagine him not having a lot of targets in a lot of yards by the end of the year and he's made he was making some really good catches. That's what i.

25:52.43
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

25:52.43
SaltyZencasterDave
Was really excited to see like he built like Finley there's 1 you watch he um, kind of like catches the ball behind him from finley you know, quickly changes his body direction which is a good sign that one he had on the sideline with leary where you could like hear it like the way he caught it was great. The touchdown grab was really good. So I mean honestly like I'm more impressed I got more hope in Anthony Smith than I do like Devin Carter right now. Um, because I think I I feel like they're well I mean I just feel like they're gonna I feel like Anthony Smith is probably gonna get.

26:23.36
redwhitepodcast
Huh bold.

26:29.74
SaltyZencasterDave
A lot more of the explosion targets and I think Devin's gonna be kind of picking up that inbet between that he's done pretty well already. But I feel like he's going to be kind of that gap where aeszzi was unless Kean Loe look I mean that was that was interesting watching how much he got targeted in the game.

26:48.30
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah, that that was an anomaly like I was surprised with how much he got right? We we've you and I have talked about key on the same for probably at least the last 2 seasons now like i.

26:49.72
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, I mean.

27:01.65
SaltyZencasterDave
Enough.

27:04.25
redwhitepodcast
Ah, really thought him coming in like he had that dynamic playmaking ability that was gonna get him on the field early and we saw him like here there. Yeah, they tried to try him a kick returner 1 point and just nothing stuck but all sudden the spring game. He's getting targets left and right and making unbelievable catches.

27:06.46
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, and it kind of did.

27:22.65
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, like the thing with and the thing that sucks for him is like the little bit of like video and stuff we got of him Preseason last year in in fall camp like I don't know if he was 100% or not but like he just didn't look good in his reps.

27:23.55
redwhitepodcast
I was blown away to be honest.

27:38.47
SaltyZencasterDave
And then yeah he goes out there and you're like okay well if that's like who you're gonna be all the time. That's great like but when you got targeted in the weight game last year it was kind of like what the what the effort are you doing like just throw it to a mezzy like that. That's what was kind of weird for me.

27:47.27
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, right.

27:55.68
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, but it was exciting because it's like okay maybe the problem's been like a mezzy and others have been soaking up reps and now you know, rooks and lasaine and Smith are gonna get more targets. Um, you know the sea bro was a fredter said it must have been fred I think like boy.

28:10.22
redwhitepodcast
Fred.

28:15.19
SaltyZencasterDave
I'm gonna be eating crow if if he turns out like he's like that reliable that was not I wasn't expecting that. Um I know but no I mean he moved better than I thought he would at that size is what I mean um, you know, just.

28:21.50
redwhitepodcast
Ah, nobody was righty toole and panics and warren plan. Yeah.

28:33.64
SaltyZencasterDave
Just real interesting I mean given what we're seeing I'm just really excited and I think if if we're gonna be pass happy and we're just gonna be like we've got an Nfl quarterback who has an Nfl arm and it's better than whatever our offensive line has done ground game wise like why not just throw it all over the field. And just trust that your defense is gonna bail you out, you know like I mean I'm looking at the schedule right? like Ecu Charleston Southern I don't know what to think about Texas tech this year Connecticut syracuses. Is a dumpster fire right now aside from that like you're gonna need to score a lot of points I think like I think fsu will be better this year I thinklimson will be better this year and your at Clemson Wake you know you have to score points Louisville you're probably gonna have to score score points.

29:27.65
redwhitepodcast
It? yeah.

29:29.19
SaltyZencasterDave
Bc if jerkovicch is healthy like you want I'm saying like we cannot be the old Doran mindset of we're gonna win the game on the ground.

29:37.37
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I still know why we have 7 tight ends on this on the roster but that's not where i's going with that. What I was gonna say is that and but elliot touches on it all the time when he talks about nsy state about how not aggressive we are on ah offense. And how we lean into defense with pun at bad times like his you know I've I've clipped it a few times and I've got him saved for when we really get into it later the summer that he essentially says. Yeah they're good, but then and they're good, but and that the butt is always they make. Some weird decisions. They're not aggressive and part of that is you know defense has been good. They've been leaning into it and so I'm curious what they're gonna lean into this year because the defense by all accounts should be still pretty good should be very good. You got a bunch of guys coming off injury but your often should be really good too and you're playing in the atlantic where every team has a return in quarterback which I think is wild.

30:39.79
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, well and I think a lot of people always seem to overlook it right? but we didn't play Jordan Travis last year we didn't play Phil Jerkovic and we got an injured Sam how like we got, we got lucky playing.

30:58.75
redwhitepodcast
0

30:59.13
SaltyZencasterDave
The backups or or really beat up quarterbacks by the end of the year um you know and even dj dj was kind of gimpy but whatever like my point is to that. Everyone's gonna be back. You should expect that we're gonna need to score points and. You know like the Fpi ratings got released this week right? which is kind of predictive of how you should do based on your schedule and somehow we're ranked behind you and see and my guess is because if you look. But if you which is insane. But if you think about right.

31:22.96
redwhitepodcast
Ellet.

31:32.90
redwhitepodcast
We're behind Pitt miami u and c.

31:38.32
SaltyZencasterDave
If it's scheduled based who's got a harder schedule I think insy state has a harder schedule in general than u and c right? So it's easier for those metrics to say that team has a slightly better path to 8 wins maybe than.

31:49.34
redwhitepodcast
I Don't know.

31:54.90
SaltyZencasterDave
State does despite what we think about nc state's talent I can see why they look and say okay, you got to go on the road tolumson fsu can't always be this bad right? But you get virginia tech wildcard for us I beat virginia tech anyways. Um. We lost to wake last year like I could see I can see why the metrics say we're gonna shade to in c state going 8 and 4 because frankly, we should have gone 8 4 last year if you want my honest opinion.

32:25.32
redwhitepodcast
Well see these so these same numbers don't account for ah I don't know they they always seem to leave large gaps like the same numbers that gave us six and a half wind total last year they don't they didn't account for leary's returning production and and things like that. There's.

32:38.69
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, yeah.

32:45.20
redwhitepodcast
There's some glaring holes in there and it's the same reason why you know Mark Schlabba from Espn has this ranked seventh Preseason right? I mean the numbers are missing something I don't know what it is in fpi I forgot I go back and listen to bill connnely's explanation about it. But. There's no reason you should be bond you know Chapel Hill Miami and Pitt other than you know, maybe if recruiting rankings are factored in there. There may might be something to it but carolina schedules to me is much harder than ours. They've got at app they might they probably could lose that game at Georgia State probably could they could lose that game too. I don't think they will but they could Georgia State's no chump Notre Dame Virginia they're not, they're they're gonna have rerunder them some funky offense just wait like that's I don't think the heels blow them I don't think they blow the doors off them.

33:25.79
SaltyZencasterDave
I Don't know about that.

33:37.55
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, no, no, no, it's more of. Do you think they can get okay right? Notre Dame they should lose Miami they should lose I don't know about virginia tech right? I mean fote left that place a a crap hole. We have no idea what pry is gonna do there.

33:40.17
redwhitepodcast
Um.

33:44.32
redwhitepodcast
Virginia tech Virginia tech Miami. Yeah.

33:55.90
redwhitepodcast
It's fifty fifty yeah I got it. Yeah, they then they have they have Duke Pit Virginia mac browns yet to beat Virginia at wake georgia tech and c state.

33:56.24
SaltyZencasterDave
And fifty fifty I'll take that right? So let's say Notre Dame Miami state what the.

34:10.60
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh that's not true Mac Brown Mac Brown beat Virginia last year he's yet to win at Virginia and he's yet to beat Florida state who's off his schedule but I guess what I'd say is you can look at their thing and be like Miami state pit in Notre Dame that's four losses.

34:12.69
redwhitepodcast
There's not a lot of.

34:16.84
redwhitepodcast
Okay.

34:28.67
SaltyZencasterDave
And then I guess the computer is looking at the rest of the schedule and being like easy peasy women squeezy. But I mean I I think they're going to be struggling to get to 6 wins without Sam Howe but I can see why this thing is going to look at their recruiting rankings and some returning production and blah blah blah.

34:40.10
redwhitepodcast
Right.

34:48.17
SaltyZencasterDave
And somehow see eight wins to me. It's like kind of like remember last year Mississippi State was like what were they top 10 and then it seemed like people blasted FPAh fbi and then by the time their second set of rankings came out. They were like I don't know top 25 maybe at that point like they got moved back quite a bit. So.

34:55.30
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

35:03.28
redwhitepodcast
Right.

35:07.98
SaltyZencasterDave
I Think um I don't think they put a lot of effort into like the early release. Um.

35:13.77
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it's always missing something I think oh yeah, they carolina did be Virginia last year I thought last year was the 44 or 41 game but that was yeah that that was 2020 yeah

35:20.89
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh no, yeah I will say I will be so pleased if in the second week of the season they lose the app I will just be like that's it max done like what does the app does app still have chase brains.

35:30.51
redwhitepodcast
Right? I mean yeah at app. No, he's gone I think I don't know who their quarterback is but oh they're playing at georgia state which is kind of strange to me but at app at Georgia state.

35:46.31
SaltyZencasterDave
It's big. Well they they had Georgia State come there last year they had a it's kind of like when we went to South Alabama

35:49.32
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, but you don't do a home and home with your yeah, you don't do a home and home at georgia state but whatever it's Carolina yeah point being is that I don't think they are gonna be I can't figure out how they're ahead of us other than.

35:54.83
SaltyZencasterDave
They were probably desperate.

36:04.37
SaltyZencasterDave
Well, they're they're predicted to win point 1 game more than us is why I mean yeah I'd love to see like the metrics here like I get Notre Dame I get Clemson I get pit like with what they're returning and the fact that they got.

36:06.31
redwhitepodcast
Bunch of inflated 5 star talent which is lunacy.

36:22.99
SaltyZencasterDave
A quarterback to come in but ah do I think pit's gonna win 9 games this year let's just you know this is what everyone loves let's look at their schedule real fast. Um, they got West Virginia Tennessee they go at Louisville at u and see at uva at my a I don't know man I can see them go.

36:24.74
redwhitepodcast
Yeah. Now.

36:42.21
redwhitepodcast
No chance no chance I go 9 and 3

36:42.52
SaltyZencasterDave
9 and three I guess but I mean that well what they're getting a lot of credit for is like they're returning defensive players essentially in a lot of yeah I think they got everyone basically not Kenny Pickett essentially returning to? um.

36:50.50
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, they're basically their whole defensive line is returning and yeah, yeah, not can you pick it not Mark Whipple now

37:02.90
SaltyZencasterDave
So and and I'll say they're in the coastal right? just being in the coastal gets you plus one more than you should in my opinion. Um.

37:08.95
redwhitepodcast
Right? It's possible I don't know I take the under if that's if you're saying 9 games on fit.

37:14.63
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh God Now that's gonna be in the slack chat. Um.

37:18.83
redwhitepodcast
The chat has been poppin. So if you want you'll want some good conversation. There's been some really good conversations all over the board over the like just the week this week. It's been it's been wild there's been some real good I mean there's panthers conversation people are talking about. There's ah, there's a big n ni l recruiting conversation like it's there's a lot going on there if you're interested. We haven't really dove into optimistic April yet either. But other than the fact that.

37:40.71
SaltyZencasterDave
It's it's it's optimistic April we haven't hit Mayday may yet so you know. Or.

37:53.42
redwhitepodcast
Some crazy better bet Thousand dollars on nc state to win the national title according to bet Mgm ah I don't know I can tell you real quick.

37:57.42
SaltyZencasterDave
What are the odds like does anyone know.

38:06.88
SaltyZencasterDave
Well why you're doing that off the top you know, just off the top of your dome. What's our record this year in the regular season.

38:13.27
redwhitepodcast
10 and 102 to

38:21.66
redwhitepodcast
I Mean yes, diving into not even in doubt if it's I mean that's at minimum.

38:26.45
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, I'm just still really annoyed with how we looked last year against anyone with talent on defense. Um.

38:34.88
redwhitepodcast
Well and that's the thing with North Carolina's one fifty to one. We're 52 to 1

38:43.20
SaltyZencasterDave
That's that's what I'm talking about that's that's what the coastal gives you the easier path to victories. Um man I Just I mean the thing that worries me is all those returning quarterbacks. Um.

38:44.69
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

39:00.70
SaltyZencasterDave
You know we got. It's like is Peyton Wilson going to stay healthy all year like we need so we need we need to avoid injuries on defense and I feel like our defense hit so damn hard all the time that our guys just break down as zero goes on. But i. I mean it just feels like a 9 and 3 year and I want to be proven wrong I guess that I guess okay

39:26.36
redwhitepodcast
Here's here's what I'm curious about and and this will kind of give you something to think about they we Dave is gonna lean into his defense in years when he doesn't have confidence in his offense. Are they going to lean into the offense this year because they're. And if they do how are they gonna do it because they they need to get more vertical which is what we've talked about and I think that's evident with the way they're trying to get Smith and lasaine and more speed on the field. They just need to be more aggressive more often I think that if if they are then. Who knows what the ceiling is right? if they're not if we're still coming back and we're trying to run it between tackles or between the guards you know what running Jordan Hoton up the middle then I'm I'm really less optimistic there. But you know if this the spring game is is that any indication of what they're gonna do I don't know. Ah, hope so just because they were more aggressive in the air and they were leaning more onto the passing game.

40:26.86
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah I mean what I liked is in the red zone. It seemed like they were still leaning pass with ah with Leary and I just think he's just so damn good in that area. Um I think what's. Yeah I mean that's what I want to see I just wanted us to just for once just be like just go out and just put points up on the board like honestly, there's no reason this defense can't keep teams under 30 points I think this offense could put a way over that. If. You just let them go cook. Um, you've got plenty of depth. So I mean I think as long as as long as the injuries don't mount up on defense then I get more optimistic I guess but it's just man I've just seen it for like 3 years in a row now. It's just this. These guys are just so damn physical that they their bodies break down and at some point that'll catch us.

41:28.20
redwhitepodcast
I I don't think that's any different for anybody else I think.

41:31.65
SaltyZencasterDave
I well I think our I mean I think when it comes in the Acc I think Clemson and state seem to thud at a different level than everyone else does on defense and you know I mean the depth is getting better I mean like you know Josh Harris emerging

41:40.85
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it's possible.

41:49.35
SaltyZencasterDave
Like there's there's stuff there that I'm I you know my concern last year and and even this year still is kind of like the pass rush in the 3 down linemen. But there's certainly a lot more depth there now if if Josh Harris is 3 15 and healthy and it gives you more flexibility on the line and you know.

41:55.52
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

42:03.92
redwhitepodcast
Right.

42:05.42
SaltyZencasterDave
Can you get some of these younger longer guys to emerge. So like there's upside there and I really want to say like yeah 10 wins but I've also just seen the Msu and Miami and wake games just going around in my head and I'm like we just do really dumb play calling stuff at times.

42:18.31
redwhitepodcast
Right.

42:23.74
SaltyZencasterDave
Um.

42:23.76
redwhitepodcast
This yeah, this year is I'm really gonna be interested on what they do offensively and and how they leverage their strengths because I don't think we've we've we hadn't done that offensively. We usually try to lean into the defensive side of it. Right? punting playing and let your defense try to keep the game close that kind of thing I don't think that's how you win in college football in 2022 so I'm curious how that how state adjusts right? now you know.

42:56.65
SaltyZencasterDave
Well also and and no um, who was our punter last year god I can't believe a blanket on this? Yeah, no gill no aj cole like you know we'll see what develops out of that kid right? so.

43:04.16
redwhitepodcast
Gill.

43:08.21
redwhitepodcast
Right.

43:13.34
SaltyZencasterDave
But I think a lot of times like having that weapon was made them be like I know the percentage just say go for it but like come on and I do think the thing is I I don't know if those charts account for like I'm down 3 starters on defense 5 starters on defense 7 starters on defense like at some point that. Does change the game a little bit and you want to try to limit the choices. The offense is gonna make at that point. But I've I'm going through this fourthtown decisions. Actually I'm like halfway through it and I've been actually going back and charting the punt on.

43:37.35
redwhitepodcast
Right.

43:48.55
SaltyZencasterDave
Where they were on the field what the time in the clock was what the game. Ah score was you know because there's game like there was one of the games where like we were way ahead and it's like yeah, he just doesn't care at that point I don't care what the numbers say it like if he's up 3 scores. He's not going to do it. Um.

43:50.93
redwhitepodcast
A.

44:02.51
redwhitepodcast
And so so that's the like on the other side of that is I think they should be doing that right because I think you need to get a bigger leads and get your younger guys in in a use that 4 game rule and let them get some game reps I ah still blows my mind how they don't and not just us you know or not just Dave.

44:14.57
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, but.

44:22.10
redwhitepodcast
We've had a lot of coaches had done don it I mean had Chuck Dunny probably would realized that you know marks stone Jay Davis were terrible and you you know don't waste that great defense you had. But yeah so I just I would like to see them. You know.

44:31.21
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

44:39.24
redwhitepodcast
Be aggressive offensively so that you can get some of these younger guys in the game and let them you know do what they need to do and based.

44:43.55
SaltyZencasterDave
I also think there's a factor there though where just Dave does not want a dunk on anyone. That's not probably named u and c or like klimson.

44:53.60
redwhitepodcast
I mean yeah maybe but you got to get that of your head. It's 2022 man score points no coaches gonna get the coaches aren't gonna get salty like they used to. You know you don't like it beat us.

45:00.20
SaltyZencasterDave
Oh I know I know.

45:07.18
SaltyZencasterDave
It's it's also like you're the one of the longest in your coaches here like those guys are probably Goingnna get fired anyways. So you know and then you can hire them and be like let me show you how it's really done. Um I mean I just hope that.

45:11.20
redwhitepodcast
Right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

45:21.63
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, especially in the at of conference stuff like honestly like I'd be happy if Devin Le didn't even play a snap against Charleston Southern like why like you know I'm saying like what what value does Devin Leary get out of that game just just start Ben Finley you know and see what he can do and then you know you can.

45:28.69
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

45:41.16
SaltyZencasterDave
I don't know maybe Jim Mor can kind of recover that thing but I guess what I'm saying is the that a conference except for text tech I don't I just don't know what to expect there. Um, it should go favorably but man I hate opening the year at ecu like.

45:48.40
redwhitepodcast
Try it.

45:55.91
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

45:59.22
SaltyZencasterDave
Can it can it not be at the end of the month at least when the temperatures start cooling a little bit like that that muggy atmosphere I hope and god if it's a twelve o'clock or noon you know where that's gonna be bad dude. Um.

46:03.55
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

46:18.16
SaltyZencasterDave
We shouldn't have a problem down there just based I was listening to the twenty four seven ecu thing. Um you know so I think it's not really an issue but super bowl game one I mean at least Doran hates ecu now because it's Scott Montgomery but can you maintain that passion.

46:20.50
redwhitepodcast
The added to.

46:37.12
SaltyZencasterDave
Um, and yeah I just who knows yeah 10 wins. Whatever I mean I don't want this to come back and hot me.

46:46.17
redwhitepodcast
let's let's go it's April to April I did drop optimistic April and ips pod um I'm spreading the good word. Optimistic april.

46:54.19
SaltyZencasterDave
Well if we keep getting these commitments of basketball I'll maintain optimism. Um.

47:02.65
redwhitepodcast
The speaking of commitment someone to talk about and this was another conversation we had in in the chat Sam Pendleton the what's wills face. The.

47:16.59
SaltyZencasterDave
Graham.

47:17.41
redwhitepodcast
Kid who grew up an nc state fan but Clemson was his dream offer has got 6 crystal balls to Notre Dame offensive tackle from North Carolina a kid we really want and kind of need. You need to start landing those elite players let me ask you not specifically about Pendleton but about what is it going to take for nc state to start landing elite talent in the state more consistently.

47:52.00
SaltyZencasterDave
Elite offensive lineman in the state is what kills me I do not understand how we I mean we're about to have possibly a number 1 draft pick. We love fing running the ball like.

47:54.37
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, specifically officer Lyman.

48:08.35
SaltyZencasterDave
You've got someone who's historically a good offensive line coach. They say he's relatable offensive Linemen should want to come to the school that's got like the hands in the dirt you know, hard tough together. I Don't I just cannot understand why we struggle to get these dudes and I.

48:29.85
redwhitepodcast
Notre Damees is yeah Notre Dames got 3 offensive tackles and they're about the they poached absher absher Sullivan Abs sure I think his name abs something like that and yeah I think the crystal balls are yeah.

48:37.65
SaltyZencasterDave
They also got appsher. Oh killing me, you know.

48:45.19
redwhitepodcast
So pendleton and both North Carolina but both the 2 best tackles in North Carolina are slighted to go to Notre Dame if you trust the crystal balls. Yeah yeah.

48:53.50
SaltyZencasterDave
I I mean first round pick Gart or bradbury Joe Tuney Super bowl champion multiple super bowls you know JRSqueezy was a defensive lineman and became an offensive lineman in the Nfl like I mean if I was the if I was in c state.

49:04.63
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

49:12.00
SaltyZencasterDave
Maybe it would be very tacky but I would literally have on the wall the Murphy. Ah, you know the the running calculator of earnings for Nfl players that went to NCState and I'd break it down by quarterback I'd break it down by offensive lineman I'd break it down by wide receiver.

49:25.32
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

49:31.60
SaltyZencasterDave
Defensive end like you should be coming here and I don't understand what's going on with this messaging and there's just I just feel like maybe they need to kind of reevaluate how they're approaching these elite offensive alignment because Muger Bill gone Jovan Gwen gone

49:46.00
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

49:49.83
SaltyZencasterDave
Sam Pendleton likely gone solo an abjo likely gone like it's and it's been just years and years and years and then when you do get 1 Mcurt hurt all the time like I'm sorry that's not fair to mcert. He definitely got hurt a lot. Um, but it's just.

50:01.23
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, the other one Jamal Jamal Jarrett who defensive tackle who we said he's gonna be offensive tackle. We want him as off from tackle. He wants to play defensive tackle.

50:09.32
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah.

50:14.89
SaltyZencasterDave
I Still think you just tell that kid yet. You can be a defensive tackle here and if it doesn't work out. You can either transfer or you can go onto the offensive line like what's What's the worst that can happen that's worth taking a swing once in a while. But even that in the portal right? like.

50:21.91
redwhitepodcast
All right.

50:31.26
SaltyZencasterDave
Hey we're doing great. We got you know this guy wants to come here but he needs $75000 oh sorry our collective isn't here we yet you know, ah man it offensive line recruiting just kills me and then yeah know then everyone else will be like yeah but look what hell we've done with our 2 or 3 stars and it's like yeah, that's great.

50:31.77
redwhitepodcast
The.

50:49.90
SaltyZencasterDave
But there's a reason the guys really want these guys to start with the reason they're at the top of the board and it's just it's really frustrating in particular at Pendleton because it's like not only is quote unquote. He's a nsy state fan but it's family's a bunch of alums. It's got real shiply vibes and it's not like we're coming off of a bad year.

50:51.11
redwhitepodcast
Right.

51:07.34
redwhitepodcast
Right? You're gonna have the number 1 pick. Yeah.

51:08.98
SaltyZencasterDave
Like we've just had 2 good seasons and we're about to get a number 1 draft pick and yet mom and dad are blown away by what the fight and Iris but like whatever I am so over Notre Dame like enjoy being in the middle of nowhere and at a historic program. Who is only historic because they beat up on a bunch of nobodies and then play Usc and bc a couple times like this is the 100%. The reason why yeah, don't need to schedule anybody just rack up wins and you can be like look how many wins I got look at all these wins I'm really good I'm really good and then when you go play a good team. Get your ass kicked. Oh well, you know we're just in the middle of a cycle right now and the grass wasn't high enough that day to help us out. You know it's like god dang Marcus Freeman hasn't even won a game yet I'm just saying man.

52:04.72
redwhitepodcast
Um I they got to start landing his talent. Yeah.

52:06.68
SaltyZencasterDave
You know some kid but it's been like. Do you see the tweet that the kid was sent this kid's been like tweeting at Penleton like a bunch. He's like for my closing arguments and he just posts 4 photos of um like where's a bow bowjangles app and it's like Michigan nothing near there for 50 miles South Bend nothing near there for 50 fty miles I can't remember the third school he listed and then insy states like you know 15 of them pop up and then Sam Penolton was like great tweed or something like that camera wave respond is like maybe this is how we do it. You know why aren't we reaching out to bowjangles being like hey Boge.

52:35.58
redwhitepodcast
I didn't see that.

52:40.58
SaltyZencasterDave
Gave him Mecca Mezzie some money like we kind of need you to give some money to this guy if he comes here like.

52:43.47
redwhitepodcast
True story I developed the first bowjangles app and I talked to him about it and this is 2000 I don't know eight nine something like that wherebo wherebo trying to.

52:52.95
SaltyZencasterDave
F what was it called.

52:58.82
redwhitepodcast
Ah I woke up in the back of a car I was riding somewhere some woke up in the back of car I was like man we're hungry. Where's the bowjjangles and we couldn't find 1 sorry man I'll make a app for this did the app try to sell it to them and they're like no, we don't need an app. We're not we don't need to mess with the internet's like all right? Yeah, it lasted for a long time I got.

53:12.96
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, oh man.

53:17.00
redwhitepodcast
Know 15000 downloads or something for a while. Yeah.

53:17.73
SaltyZencasterDave
Is there an app that um, like there needs to be an app for when you're driving down the road and it will tell you all the fast food restaurants at the next exit that are within like a quarter of a mile. Right? Like you know how many times like it's like you're like looking it up while you're driving like I really need something you're like oh it's a mile away awesome and then it like you put it in the Gps and it's like fourteen miles the opposite direction. Um, anyways, take that so on go make money with it. Um, wherebo.

53:34.70
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

53:48.70
redwhitepodcast
Um I see this tweet now to Pendleton yeah, that's great. That's from our it's from our guy with who runs us the scholarship tracker we have on our site. Yeah, that's funny.

53:52.49
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, yeah, it's like my final argument. Oh yeah, yeah, so good. So good. You know I don't know I'm just really frustrated like the offensive line in particular, it's like 1 of those like shouldn't this be like a. This should be a school that dominates an offensive linement and I never understand why they end up at u and c or Notre Dame or like oh the prestige the prestige whatever dude, you're like your degree is gonna whatever i.

54:19.51
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

54:25.49
SaltyZencasterDave
And enjoy it. Enjoy the snowstorms. Enjoy getting recruited over constantly.

54:31.55
redwhitepodcast
His ah his decision date is Monday I guess twenty fifth is that Monday he has Monday somehow clubs was his dream offer and they're not in his top 4

54:41.73
SaltyZencasterDave
I know that too also just kind of look these kids are 18 or younger and they are caught up in the process. But this is the kind of recruit I've seen it over the years where it's like. Every school he goes to is a dream you know as a dream school. What an incredible visit. Always last one gets him and I kept sitting there thinking like insy state. What are you doing? Why are you constantly firing bullets at this kid when you know he's going to go look at Florida next or at.

54:58.58
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

55:15.69
SaltyZencasterDave
Under Dame like you want to be the last visit with this kid. It's so clear. He gets super enamored with the last place he goes and maybe they're hoping that they can sneak him in for you know, an official visit under the radar or something like that I'm sure they will get him up to games and try to sway him. I am sure that if we start off the season hot. It will go well if Ohio State just blasts no her dame into the ground on opening weekend I think they play the first game against each other right? like maybe the shine will wear off. Um, but man it's just.

55:40.45
redwhitepodcast
Oh yeah, yep.

55:53.91
SaltyZencasterDave
Can we not get the guy that you really really want I mean it's like it's not a blaske situation but really, that's what he kind of reminded me of like as he kept like posting like you know him breaking lifting records and things like that I'm just like oh man this is just this real. He's got some blasky energy behind it.

56:04.25
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, right.

56:12.82
SaltyZencasterDave
And anytime I get that I'm just like let's move on man I'd rather just give me the 3 star guys that have like raw athleticism and you can fatten up and let's just go that way. Get give me the ickies I'm I'm tired of these cornfed white boys who get enamored with freaking Notre Dame enjoy having Jack Cohn or someone like that as your quarterback.

56:33.77
redwhitepodcast
Ah, at some point they've got to start winning some of these battles though and like I think.

56:38.22
SaltyZencasterDave
Just pay him money just give him money under the table quit being so proud. Damn it.

56:43.66
redwhitepodcast
Ah, no Rogers is probably the one I think that real they really need it to land him in this next class like I think he's that time of receivers that you need.

56:54.15
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, yes, and it would be him ah leacock and just from a perception standpoint I think concepcion got a un and c offer recently. And think we've been on him for like over a year like those are the ones like just look at how successful Ohio State is when they get elite wide receivers look at how successful Alabama is like get upgraded talent at wide receiver do whatever you got to do to get it.

57:12.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

57:30.40
SaltyZencasterDave
They're always prema donnas for the most part. It's totally fine like it's okay to have that 1 position group where you're like oh look constantly rolling your eyes in it but they go catch touchdowns.

57:42.22
redwhitepodcast
Think I Broke Wheel guys. Sorry.

57:43.85
SaltyZencasterDave
Pendleton I'm really I mean I was just really pissed when I saw it yesterday I let my feelings be known I think I upset chance. Um, it's just tough times man.

57:57.36
redwhitepodcast
Ah, anything you got anything else I don't know.

57:59.91
SaltyZencasterDave
Is the draft this weekend. How close are we to the draft I think it's next weekend now that I think about it hold on Nfl draft the Thursday April Twenty Eighth I really hope we go. We get a number 1 draft pick.

58:03.69
redwhitepodcast
I Have no idea to be honest.

58:19.76
SaltyZencasterDave
Feel bad if they have to go to the Jackson with Jaguars but I am willing to sacrifice what needs to be needs to happen. Ah someone was trying to console me they were like hey man it I mean if you think about it being an offensive line man doesn't really matter what team you're on I'm like I mean I get it dude. And guess its good that urban myers not there anymore, but dang why can't a really why? Why can't the chiefs just have the number 1 pick.

58:43.42
redwhitepodcast
Right? someone I could pull for someone's gonna win. Yeah.

58:47.32
SaltyZencasterDave
Just someone that's fun. You know the bangles I'll take the bangles this year um

58:55.55
redwhitepodcast
I'm curious if he goes number one. It's gonna be interesting.

58:58.70
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, yeah I mean what's the what's the latest projection doesn't it do has anyone been following any of the mocks. Um I don't know why Nfl mock Drafts Sam howll was the first thing that filled in Google but work on the algorithm please.

59:17.40
redwhitepodcast
That's just your recent searches. They know they know they know will and Sam Howard type

59:20.41
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, maybe I don't know what's the first article here. What are they gonna tell me how can there be 20 free. What do you think about all this hate that's going on with cave on Tboto have you tipbito have you seen this? okay.

59:43.24
redwhitepodcast
No.

59:46.56
SaltyZencasterDave
He's He's like the one that they're painting like with the oh does this guy really want to work and is it. You know like the Detroit lions were like really into him and then they like started talking to him and the head coach who was ah just a complete idiot was just like I don't like his attitude his he's all about you know trying to have a brand and trying to be successful. I Don't like that. That's not that's I My kind of defensive line man I Can't wait for a Lee Mcne to get traded out of there to a real team.

01:00:11.81
redwhitepodcast
This this.

01:00:16.99
SaltyZencasterDave
I don't know I guess I mean it's gonna be cool that he's going get top 5 I just I mean what are the betting odds. That's actually probably the better Nfl first pick betting odds.

01:00:34.78
SaltyZencasterDave
So they got okay aid in hutchchesson's minus two hundred Trayvon Walker plus two hundred then Iki is plus 1200 and then evanil plus 1400 what do you? think's gonna happen. You think he's gonna go like fifth.

01:00:51.16
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, probably I Yeah probably I think the name recognition to some of these other guys is gonna win out.

01:00:59.40
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, this says according to this one. He is the top of the odds for the number 3 pick. He's like fifth. No, he's even lower fifth or 6 for the second pick I can't remember who's got that. Um, and then he's the number 1 pick for the fifth. So could be a top 3 should be a top 5 no matter what I don't know it'll be a good night. Fory state. Especially when Bam nights when Bam Knight gets taken in the first now that he's got a good 40 time.

01:01:23.24
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it will be and they need to leverage it. Yeah.

01:01:35.93
redwhitepodcast
Ah, yeah.

01:01:37.67
SaltyZencasterDave
We should do that. Maybe let's do that for the next pod right? Beforehand like I'd like to take us let's we should take a stab at where we think the the guys that are eligible are going.

01:01:53.17
SaltyZencasterDave
Wonder what same Hal's odds are.

01:02:03.19
SaltyZencasterDave
I think I killed I think I killed Evan.

01:02:03.24
redwhitepodcast
All right? We're off the rails I'm done. This is it this is it I'm done yeah all right y'all thanks for listening support the site. Check it out jump in the pod jet it's been some real good conversations. It's a much better conversation than you'll find on Twitter or whatnot. Ah, we've got channels for golf football recruiting hoops women's hoops baseball baseball teams first the atlantic somehow yeah we got it all come join the conversations real good. Yeah baseball team first in the Acc Atlantics and I still don't know how.

01:02:32.74
SaltyZencasterDave
Wait. What.

01:02:39.70
SaltyZencasterDave
Okay I I Just want to say it's really funny because I was gonna hop in baseball yesterday and be like how bad is it guys I can't even tell man this is crazy baseball. What a wonderful sport. We're tied for it according to.

01:02:42.20
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:02:58.16
SaltyZencasterDave
Ah, man. Also I hope everyone goes to dogs at the doke.

01:03:01.92
redwhitepodcast
Bring yeah, we didn't talk about your themes. You sent me a you one to talk about Nc State's football theme days. Okay.

01:03:05.22
SaltyZencasterDave
Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about it next time. My personal grape is on is the last one on the list and I'll keep going for it. Wow I didn't realize that haven had ah is that 950 wins

01:03:12.49
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, don't let us forget because yeah.

01:03:24.80
redwhitepodcast
Yep, good how many years a lot of years fifty years I that I don't know it like 4 winds a year I don't know I don't know what he's got nine fifty those impressive.

01:03:24.64
SaltyZencasterDave
Okay, for him 50 years

01:03:34.64
SaltyZencasterDave
Just wait till Kevin just might tell Kevin Keats has one of those milestones after he's here for 48 years

01:03:42.17
redwhitepodcast
Um, Kevin Keats how many years will take Kevin Keats to hit.

01:03:49.96
SaltyZencasterDave
I'm almost at the point where I'm just like give the guy a lifetime contract and like let's just see what happens. Let's just get weird. Let's get weird. What do you think happens it? Yeah anyways, let's oh get. We're way off.

01:03:56.34
redwhitepodcast
All right? That's it my my internet is dying will's breaking up his frozen on my screen all right? We'll talk to you all next week thanks for listening. Go back.

01:04:04.26
SaltyZencasterDave
No, all right? go back.

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