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Poorly done transcription of our interview with Josh Goodson

00:23.62
redwhitepodcast
All right folks we are back with another additional red white podcast I'm your host Evan here with will special guest Josh Goodson here joins us Josh is here to talk pack of wools and I l and. Would be amiss if I didn't start with this question Josh have you succeeded in getting Dave Kloson hired anywhere yet.

00:44.37
Josh Goodson
Dude I've been trying I've been trying for like I don't know 5 years or so it's it's obviously a running joke um to the point now where whenever I tweet something like idea Dave Klawson becomes ex coach somewhere else. Someone has literally said. That is the key to figure out who has got fired like but they see that somebody is like I've seen that tweet and then then I go back and read it. Why the Charlotte hornets got fire to whoever and such. So um, it's it's it's been a funny little joke that um I think.

01:06.92
redwhitepodcast
Ah.

01:14.98
Josh Goodson
The athletic director of wake farst picked up on 1 time and was like no, he's not going anywhere this time so just good times you know like it'd be. It'd be cool if he was not there. So but ah, you know.

01:21.33
redwhitepodcast
Well, it's a joke but it's serious. So let's let's hope at some point it comes to fruition.

01:30.53
Will
As long as you help him refinance his loan when when he leaves as well right.

01:32.46
Josh Goodson
Yeah, it's all good I've I've tried. Yeah I mean I've said it wake forest fans need mortgages to you and see fans duke unit. You name it and such. Um so I've actually helped a few of the wake. Wait guys out as far as like there there I guess wake Twitter if you want to call it that some of them. Um actually met this year at the wake farce the football game over there and ended up doing business with 1 or 2 guys of afterwards and such so it's it's all good. Um, Twitter's a fun place to be if you don't take it too serious and such.

02:05.31
Will
Well, ah here we'll we'll get rolling here. So for anyone that's been kind of living under a rock. We keep asking this. What's ah, what's an I L and what is this collective.

02:14.60
Josh Goodson
Pack of wolves is something that's ah come about because we are now embarking into the wild wild west as far as you know the the compensation of student athletes and such and so state has kind of put together. You know? Well. Excuse me not state if if Buke Oregon or anyone heard that state was putting it together that would be a no no. But ah, there's been a ah support from the ground 12 support from some alumni some former athletes and some I'm not even. Either of those because I actually graduated from Unc and we can get into that if you want to get to at some point I'm not an athlete or as former or an alumni of state. But these guys got together and said hey we have to do something um and we have to start it on our own and so it's kind of. Come about over the last couple months that this big group is getting together to basically kind of create a network and create a streamline way for our student athletes to get compensated for their name image and likeness. It's not paid to play unless. You're you're at Miami or any other school and such which seems like it sounds and looks very much like play to play pay to play and such. But ah, it's not that um we actually had a big meeting last night we're recording this on the fifth so this would have been may the fourth and such and um and one of the biggest talking points we have is. Right now our number one goal is taking care of our current student athletes. Those are the ones that have chosen to be here at nc state those are the ones that will end up being some of the best representatives of the university after they leave state and end up being some of the best you if you want to call it recruiters and whatnot but taking advantage of taking. Taking um, taking those guys and making sure those men and women are taking care of and such in this you know this new frontier that college athletics is going into.

04:08.61
Will
Yeah, we we kind of glanced around it with Scott but 1 of my theories is you know going forward. This is probably going to build a stronger connection with former athletes and make them feel like hey my time wasn't just there spent playing sports and helping the university maybe earn some.

04:27.61
Josh Goodson
No yeah I mean it is and what's um, we can joke as fans and and it happens we can joke about the the Carolina family right? We see that we can joke about the brotherhood at duke.

04:27.89
Will
Money at that point I got something out of it and so I want to give back as well. I'm sure that's one of the big goals right.

04:40.17
Will
Yeah.

04:46.62
Josh Goodson
Date doesn't really have anything like that now we can you can ask and you can hypothesize or everyone has their own opinion of why it doesn't exist you know in in that form but stuff like that does matter um in the long run. Um, it sounds cheesy on the surface whenever it's your rival schools. But. You kind of need that and such and and Scott would even probably tell you um that there hasn't been as good of a culture set up for you know, bringing back student athletes to either a b a part of the program just for you know appearance. Type things right? How big of a deal was it a couple years ago when Philip Rivers finally came back and ah spoke to the football team like Philip Rivers is a hall of fame quarterback and he doesn't really have a connection There's not much of a connection between him and the university right now they want to try to.

05:26.90
redwhitepodcast
Right.

05:40.29
Josh Goodson
Start fixing that now with our current group and also kind of go back and and get some help and support and ah and start the appreciation and whatever that mutual whatever needs to happen. We are working on doing that right now we think n ni can go a long ways with doing that because a part of this is like taking the current athletes. They have a brand and a lot of these people want to they already kind of know what they want to do whenever they get out, get done with playing sports and if they want to come back and settle in Raleigh. We would love to know that hey and on in may of twenty twenty two. Um. Tim Mckay met this booster this donor or this supporter at this meeting who works in a venture capital right? Tim's big in that that's kind of like his his thing right now and then five years down the road or 10 years down the road if he wants to come back to Raleigh or wants to do something like he has that connection because of pack of woves and he's.

06:31.46
Will
Yeah.

06:35.15
Josh Goodson
And so it's it's it's trying to take care of the current players now and obviously compensate them in some fair way. But I think a bigger picture and Scott's really, really really big on this is this could also be a great way to help build that just. Family culture that kind of states been lacking between the you know past athletes and and the current administration and such so we can so then maybe we can have something that other schools joke about I don't know what we would call it like pac prose is kind of I actually like the pac pro moniker has kind of turned into like. Anybody from Raleigh I just say as a pac pro or anybody that's like ever been in Raleigh or even North Carolina but um I think that's important you know we can joke about it all we won't but like it it it works at dukeitworks@youandc and I think pack of wolves can also help with that going forward as well.

07:14.34
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

07:23.23
Will
Yeah I.

07:23.37
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, the car Scott kind of touched on a little bit. Um you know culture and he kept mentioning you know foreign players and bringing that back in and you know we make fun of the carolina way all the time but has been instrumental in building their foundation for all these years and. You know with their dentist program and wheels for heels and all the other things that they've gotten through the carolina a lot of family and yeah I mean it's what we could can joke about it. But it's actually something that's helped them for long term in some an area that state has really lacked so it's good to hear that that is a focus.

07:43.86
Josh Goodson
Quick. Yeah.

07:55.30
Josh Goodson
I mean there's a mean look at the back there the UAndC basketball team right now it's there's a reason why all those guys are coming back and you know who do you want to call it cheating who knows it but probably is or isn't right? but like it's they came back because they came back because of the carolina family like you know they didn't they didn't.

07:59.18
redwhitepodcast
Right.

08:11.37
redwhitepodcast
Right.

08:15.60
Josh Goodson
But you don't very you don't you rarely see guys over there leave and I legitimately think more. Ah like if you ask the kids over there like take away like the the booster side of it I think they probably enjoy being over there. Ah you I mean you Scott would even tell you that. Like T J Warren will come back and there are times where he will go play pickup basketball with all the u and c guys at the smith center like just because he knows all those guys and that's a big deal and that's that's fun and that's you know we need that over here. We need people coming.

08:36.98
redwhitepodcast
Right.

08:44.45
redwhitepodcast
Great.

08:47.37
Josh Goodson
We need the guys from you and c want to you know, knowing that T J Warren and whoever at Scott Wood or whatever it is at the Dale Center you know playing ball in the summer let's get a game going type thing so it's important kid.

08:53.89
redwhitepodcast
Right? You mentioned Miami are and and not doing it. The Miami way. Are there any collectives out there that joeall are looking at as as a model or as leaders or. Is that everybody just kind of figure now as they go.

09:10.95
Josh Goodson
So we I think we've done a great job. Um, and I know there's been a little bit of a I don't want to say the word angst but a little bit of uncertainty of like from from maybe the fan base of of well when are we going to do ours right? We see all these we see all these other. Places starting there as we see we see numbers being thrown out. We see we see things going on and um, kind of our whole thing is like we don't want to be First. We want to be right? which is more important right now than just like hey here's. X amount of dollars to this person and we'll just kind of figure out how that works in the end and like you're already hearing some stories about kids who signed something that didn't know what they were signing because there wasn't a good education but it just looked good and look flashy and they're not getting paid their like they're. They're not getting fulfilled on it and so there's already backlash going on so to answer your question I think the way that our rollout has been going has been good because like we can see the the stuff that's working and yeah, we're looking at um, the the gatorator collective right? Florida says. Has kind of made some news and such with like what they're doing and we've looked at other ones and such and we you know we're I think we were. We're doing a good job of taking the bit the the good stuff that we're seeing and trying to utilize it with us and then also seeing the stuff that's going wrong in other places and being like well we don't want to do that right? and so that's kind of why there's been a little bit. Maybe slower of a rollout, but it's but it's also been important to do that because no one really knows what's going on and heck I mean the and ncwa I believe just came out yesterday with some news that when they started in ill there was no rules then they realized the Miami stuff was going on and and the. There's a kid like maybe getting $8000000 to go to Tennessee or something like that like to which one of the one of our student athletes last night at the meeting even said like we see that but like we're in c state we're never going to be the $8000000 flashy place and we don't want to be like we. We're in c state we we want to do it the right way and take care of everyone but the ncia finally came out with some information yesterday where they're going to try to get somewhat involved in like coraling it a little bit but again it's it's evolving every day but we we've looked at we've looked at the good and but and tried to do mirror that we looked at the bad and tried to avoid doing that and. Um, it's been exciting. So I think being being right and doing it well has been way more important than just being the first person to have a big um to have a big headline that says nc state pays this kid $400000 and then like that's it. So.

11:46.18
redwhitepodcast
Alright.

11:46.55
Will
Yeah I think um I think maybe some of the angst early on was you know it wasn't very publicized what we were doing around the collective front. You were kind of only getting kind of whispers here and there in forums and then some of the people that were in the know were kind of dismissive. People asking questions and you were probably one of the first people when we posted something on Twitter about it to respond and say hey it's it's in the works people with good intentions are involved and so maybe you could kind of explain to us. You know what your role is going to be with the collective and how you got involved with it.

12:19.80
Josh Goodson
Yeah, um, yeah, and to your point like it's it's been slow but we we have to remember for Nsi State purposes um we don't we have them available but we don't have the resources of ah. Of somebody just to drop us $10000000 tomorrow and say here you go. We're starting right? and then you also have to remember that there is am I'm using like the phrase separation of church and state insy state can't be involved the affthletic department cannot be involved the wolf act club is its own thing right? So it has to be. Other people um taking the taking the the lead and and putting it on their back to be like hey we want to be a part of this and we need we we know that our school needs this and so it's up to us and we just don't have ah a big oil guy down in college station Texas to give us $20000000 tomorrow to say. Here you go you're started now you're good to go right it's it's a little bit. It's a little bit more tedious than that now I know there's been discussions going on kind of back to the point of state hasn't done. Maybe the the best job of um, connecting. Either former athletes back to the university and keeping them involved and giving them appreciation and in in using that as ah as a vehicle for you know for maybe funds and that also goes to like past alumni that may have a lot of money and such as well. I mean so I think that there's some there's been discussions like that to help with that too that. You know will hopefully keep us going. But for me, it's funny. How did I get involved. Um I'm good buddies with Scott we talk mortgages all the time he's into the mortgage game now and I guess I'd probably be okay with him. He would probably be be. Ah. Okay, with me saying this. He's pretty new to it and such so he's kind of lean on me with some vice. We just you know we become good friends over the last year or so um I know Hayes Lancaster Hayes is involved um heavily with this too as far as like putting putting all this together and and helping coordinate stuff and they just kind of ask. They're they're asking people who who have the time and who may have some resources and who just want to be a part of it. Um and such and so I guess it's funny when you look at the executive board list and you start reading off the names. It's like I I am the. This person does not belong here. One of these is not like the other type situation because there's like oh Scott Wood Played basketball Mike Glennon Mike's a good dude we you know we've played golf some recently Amanda Fox sports person and then so on and so on then it's like wait. There's a u and c.

14:57.36
Josh Goodson
Grad who's just like a fan and like tweets a lot about state on the board. But um, they just asked like Scott and Lin were like hey would you want to be a part of this and help us because we just we just need bodies right? We need people to to help do stuff to go to a make to go to events to to help generate support to help with like you know. Tailgates and events and things that we want to be doing and such and um I think I'm ah I believe I'm a pretty unique I'm not maybe a former athlete or technically and ah you know, not even an alumni. So um I might bring a different you know set of eyeballs and such and when it comes to the marketing and social medias. Type of things. Um I feel like I'm pretty good on Twitter and I can help on that and I've been able to generate a good amount of like my own personal business doing that and so I'm trying to I will be trying to help that with with other athletes as they start kind of building their brands and such going on. So for me, it's it's quite frankly. Ah if you would ask me when i. When I was growing up what did I want to be when I grew up I would probably tell you I want to be Bobby Purcell right I want to you know like I want to work for the wolfpa club I'm a big state fan. That's what I grew up doing I'm ah a I'm a i' a big fan and um I decided to go to you and c which that's that's kind of what Bobby did me and Bobby.

15:59.22
redwhitepodcast
Ah, yeah, yeah.

16:11.89
Josh Goodson
Both you and c grads which is just kind of wild and everything about that. But um, that wasn't in the cards from like a job perspective. But this is a way for me to like get involved and like you know, call it a passion project. You know, just call it something. Um, you know. Just interested in doing like I'm interested in Nc State being well doing well and in athletics I spend enough time tweeting about them and caring about them I may as well like you know, spend some man hours if I can help you know offer anything to the group and that's that's kind of where I'm at and why why I'm on the board I guess.

16:38.93
Will
Yeah, do I mean do you see yourself being able to help but like a Tim Mckay right away with a social media presence or you know what's what's your thoughts there and how you can kind of instantly help.

16:39.22
redwhitepodcast
Nice.

16:49.50
Josh Goodson
Yeah, so Tim that dude he's gonna be the guy that like when we talked about we need to make sure our alumni we we take care of our alumni and and show them support and make sure that we keep the connection with him because that's a guy that's he's gonna go like run like a hedge fund company up in New York and then like have. Ah, billion dollars and we're gonna say hey Tim like we need your help right to to keep to keep the n I l stuff going but also connecting them you know and such. But um, yeah I do the the funny thing about social media that that I have learned is I I like to think that I am like a nobody like I'm just I'm a normal dude. Right? I did a little bit of sports radio stuff and so it was ah it was like I was able to help create a yeah I was able to get a following on social media and platforms and such by doing that but to me if you ask me is like I'm not a I'm not a celebrity I'm I'm a nobody and such a guy like Tim Mckay ah athlete at nc state um future 2022 acc champion in football I mean he's gonna he'll be able to write that and is is bio and such like the hardest part of social media is creating a following and creating a network and like literally all these student athletes.

17:51.52
Will
Yeah, if damn right.

18:03.82
Josh Goodson
Just have to do is show up on the field and do well in the classroom and do well on the field to to have that it's it's so hard developing and cultivating that network they will have already like done the hardest part and the whole thing about social media is just like don't. Don't step in it and the and the good thing about it is all these athletes. It's it's interesting if you think think about all like this people get asked like well. What's gonna happen when someone tweets like mean stuff at him I'm like you don't think Tim Mckay has ever had like a defensive lineman like talking Jun to him right? You don't you don't think ah you know, um.

18:34.18
Will
Yeah.

18:34.44
redwhitepodcast
Right.

18:40.73
Josh Goodson
Jarquell Joiner Im I'm just you know, but from you know, the new point Guard hasn't had like a referee call a charge on him that it shouldn't be a charge and you yet to have discipline right? You have to be disciplined whenever those things happen these athletes that's like the the core of like what they do and each day and such and so when it comes to social media like.

18:48.30
redwhitepodcast
Right.

19:00.34
Josh Goodson
We're not worried about these guys like spouting back you know on someone on on Twitter Twitter's kind of a weird spot or Facebook or Instagram and such and a guy like Tim Mckay is is going to be able to I'm not a celebrity that guy will be able to go from 3000 followers to 20000 followers overnight just by being consistent and such because of all the good work he does on the field and you know and off and off the field as well.

19:24.98
redwhitepodcast
So 2 of the talking points that they had sent over for us there for these interviews for you especially we're around social media negativities I want to ask you? This question is does the collective think that the NIo will increase that level of negativity negativity. The players received like.

19:28.35
Josh Goodson
Yeah, yeah.

19:39.77
Josh Goodson
So there's still. There's still a subset of of folks that they want their college sports to be college sports and they don't want their college sports to be the professional sports and um, those people are probably just.

19:42.64
redwhitepodcast
What's the thought process.

19:50.26
redwhitepodcast
Right.

19:58.78
Josh Goodson
Ah, for all intents of purposes just old people right? like just like great frankly they they I want my sacred college football to be sacred and they go to the classrooms and we they get a scholarship. They don't need any more money than that and such and so the the reality is.

20:00.19
redwhitepodcast
Right.

20:16.27
Josh Goodson
If if there is those that are that are scrutinizing them then like all they're doing is scrutinizing athletes who are trying to better themselves and you're you're basically it's it's so ironic whenever people don't want. Don't want a kid to get paid because it's like well you have a job you you have a network you're you're trying to. Better your own family. Why would you be against ah someone else doing that. Especially why would you be against someone else doing that who you literally are invested in as a fanatic and being a fan of that sport. It's just it's so silly to even think of and and so the collective we're not necessarily. Worried about that because we don't worry about our student athletes like popping off on someone. We don't worry about them. Um, you know getting mad and getting angry and and quite frankly, the people that are the the people that would spend the time in the effort like scrutinizing them for maybe getting paid or doing something. Or the ones that don't that they don't they don't deserve the time of the time of day anyway they don't reserve the reply back. They don't reserve any of that back to begin to you know to begin with and such so I think it's gonna be overall better and and we're we are going to do it right? where it's like no you you. We're gonna take care of our own first like the most important thing is taking care of the current student and athletes because those are the ones that a deserve it. They've chosen to come to nc state they have chosen to play for nsy state they've chosen to be good representatives of nc state on and off the court. We want to take care of them first and also they're going to be the ones who. We hope come back and and or just tell others about ins c state you know future they're they're gonna be our our best recruiters and like so they're not going to It won't be something as simple as hey come to Nsc State because I got $100000 it's going to be hey come to nsc state because of. Because of iny state this this and this and oh by the way they were able to put me in touch with this company and and we were it was able to be lucrative for me and I was able to develop all these relationships that I would not have if if someone had just given me a check. It's um, the way that we're doing gets good and and.

22:26.70
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I think the people who are maybe against players getting paid and and saying you know they get enough for the scholarships and really honestly they I feel like the majority of those people want a player to play for their school.

22:26.15
Josh Goodson
I'm excited about it.

22:45.57
redwhitepodcast
Because they like the school as much as that person does right? You know that's it's that whole I can I really like them so you should really like them if you're gonna play for Them. You shouldn't get paid. It should be a privilege and just people athletes. Don't think about it that way I don't think you know maybe after they've been here long enough. They appreciate it a little bit more. But. There's ah that disconnect with the the hardcore fan who has that you know that line in the sans A you know I'm a state fan I would play for the school and wouldn't not pay me. You know it's a completely different perspective but that's how they I think that's where the kind of conflict comes in one of the things that and you kind of danced around it. Talk about paying players is this and this probably a deeper question so feel free to ignore it if you want to like is this trending towards the end of student athlete. Are they gonna are we put moving towards you know them being employees or you know is that is that the trend you see going or where's that.

23:28.32
Josh Goodson
Yep.

23:42.62
redwhitepodcast
How's that changing? yeah.

23:44.10
Josh Goodson
I'm gonna use the I don't know um answer I mean it was all like anything that the N two a does hey we're gonna allow this to happen. But then we're not gonna have any rule. It's it's we're not gonna have any rules for it and so it's like well.

23:56.10
redwhitepodcast
Right.

24:00.97
Josh Goodson
Then you had the situations like the Miami booster right? Who's kind of like I don't want to say ruined it for everyone but like it's basically the bagman is now in public versus being behind the scenes and such right? Ah, we we think and hope and and.

24:12.56
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

24:20.88
Josh Goodson
We would want and maybe we're being naive in thinking this but we think and hope that this is set up to help athletes take advantage of their name image and likeness. Basically whenever they are here right? or or based on or or if it's a transfer based on.

24:33.20
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

24:39.87
Josh Goodson
And in theory productivity from somewhere else like right? We're not yeah I don't see a point or a time maybe and for a while that NC state's going to be the place. It's like hey 16 year old kid who's a 5 star athlete we need to get in the you know we need to get in the running for you right? We need to.

24:56.86
redwhitepodcast
Right.

24:59.47
Josh Goodson
What because what is he? There's nothing to there's nothing necessarily to to support that yet. Um, the ncd a like I said is trying to now backtrack and kind of say hey well we need to put this in place and put that in place and I think it's something like it's literally evolving every day. Um, we. We I don't know the answer to that. Are we going to get to a point where their employees we would hope not I think if it if nil is used correctly. It's used exactly the way that we're trying to use it. Um, you know Devin Leary you are obviously a great quarterback. You are going to go on to do.

25:23.44
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

25:37.39
Josh Goodson
Great things. We're thinking you're a good representative our University Um, there is a car you know there's a car dealership that's working with them. You think you probably saw the the tweet of a building company I Believe who who's who's working with them that that company has decided to essentially you know.

25:48.80
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

25:57.22
Josh Goodson
Devin said yes I'll use my my image and likeness to help bolster your business and that's how it should work. It shouldn't just be here's like a you know a million dollars go for it like and the thing is is that Devin Devin has obligations to fulfill to be able to complete that contract and.

26:00.30
Will
Yeah, yeah.

26:15.15
Josh Goodson
And get you know, get paid and such and it's hey yeah, you're gonna have to do this video and we're you're gonna have to use your name image and likeness of your social media platforms to you know X amount of tweets or you know ten X amount of replies or or whatever it might be. To complete that transaction we're we're not gonna be necessarily in the business of just here's money nothing Involved. You know, go for it type thing and I hope that most other universities and I hope the incident will hopefully try to get it back to what it's intention. What? what? it's.

26:49.67
redwhitepodcast
All right.

26:49.82
Josh Goodson
Original intention was I guess.

26:50.43
Will
Yeah, well let me yeah, let me ask this, you know what? um from talking with Scott right? sounds like there's gonna be a monthly membership option ways for people that maybe aren't necessary business owners to contribute and support right? So if let's say I sign up and say hey I'm gonna give you guys a hundred dollars a month for the year what is

27:02.37
Josh Goodson
Yep. Um, yep, yep.

27:10.23
Will
How does that money get allocated what what? Ah what do you envision for the the folks like me that aren't businesses.

27:15.49
Josh Goodson
It go. So yeah, that's a great question so to your point. Yes, a specific business can sponsor a specific athlete and then that is you know that is taken into account and such there is going to be people that don't have. $50000 just a pony up to be able to because they want to use devon leary to help ah market their their car company or whatever. So the board the executive board will essentially be the ones that that vote on where the other funds basically become at. Who they are allocated to and basically we'll use that based on I don't know if need is the right word for it but potentially need but also marketability of of particular athletes as well and that's that's the really important thing of it too is there's not just going to be. Football and basketball if we want to use it like that like we we know that we have sponsors if you want to use that word. We know that we have people who want to they want to see that the baseball team is is you know they want they want the baseball team taken care of ah Tommy tanks has two more years here right? He is probably. Gonna be 1 of our most marketable athletes that um that we'll have to be quite frank and he already is um, there's people that would want to make sure the baseball team is taken care of and that will be ah you know that's gonna be fine right? and and we can probably make that let that happen same with football thing with the team of basketball. But we want to make sure we have the opportunity for any other athlete any other sport which a lot of people get caught up in the big 3 or if you want to use. We'll say the big 4 women's basketball right? being one of the more popular ones as well. We get caught up in the big 4 but like states doing really good in other sports like really good.

28:57.76
Will
Um, yeah.

29:06.11
Josh Goodson
Tennis is good. Wrestling is good. You know what name any other sport they're doing well we want to make sure that those sports are taken care of too and so the the hundred dollars a month person or $25 a month or $500 a month that basically goes into the collective that will be dispersed. Essentially like I said kind of as a need base but also as a marketability face. Ah you know for an athlete that wants to you know be a part of the pack of woves type thing and and you know sign sign up with us and such and then we can you know use their platforms and such like I didn't realize this There's a caitlyn tooy I think is she a runner I believe track. 77000 followers on instagram like she is someone that there is insy state people who have money and have businesses and and want to be able to to leverage stuff like that right? and and impossible and such. She's someone that I get I bet 90% of people don't know about can you imagine if you were able to get her to like do some stuff on her instagram but just 77000 people like that's insane and so that's something I mean that's just ah, an example of ah.

30:08.95
redwhitepodcast
And.

30:18.67
Josh Goodson
Hey Caitlyn you know you have a platform you may you made I'm not that's not a I'm not saying anything rotty I'm just using her as an example obviously and such but like that's something that like she's marketable. She's somewhat you know does she have a need is there. Any reason to do that. Okay, cool, the collective will vote on.

30:23.15
Will
Yeah, yeah.

30:23.35
redwhitepodcast
Sure.

30:37.28
Josh Goodson
Whatever that looks like right that we're still fine tuning that but hope that answer your question and such like it will be voted on by a board basically to disperse to you know to others and such.

30:45.64
Will
Yeah I think the oh sorry Rion. Yeah I was gonna I was just I was just gonna say yeah man it is sorry about that. So I think yeah, maybe maybe the question is right? people would probably want to know hey that money isn't just going to nowhere right? It's getting directed to the right place.

30:45.98
redwhitepodcast
How does um, no here you're you must be super delayed today.

31:03.91
Josh Goodson
Um, correct yes that is correct.

31:05.38
Will
I Think that's what people want to know? yeah.

31:08.98
redwhitepodcast
So How does ah like I'm a small business owner right? And if I do I have to go through the collective. Is it collective for people like will who are not a small business owner or not a business owner and want to contribute like where where's the line there is there. Are there certain boundaries that. Collective has or you know what's the how does that process work almost.

31:32.50
Josh Goodson
Ah you I may not know the answer to that when to be honest with you. Um I think we would want everyone anyone who wants to help an athlete and do like what we're doing I think that we would want that to all be under the same umbrella.

31:49.94
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

31:51.60
Josh Goodson
I guess is a good way to say it just um, it's kind of like ah I don't know that what's what's just saying. It's like the a rising tide lifts all boats or something like that. It's kind of one of those things but I mean to that point like we Inc State Want to have.

32:00.84
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

32:11.42
Josh Goodson
Everyone on the same page doing the same things such that you know there's it's just uniform and like universal messaging all the way through I guess is a good way to say it and so I would say that there's probably a benefit of a small business owner.

32:22.36
redwhitepodcast
Right.

32:30.48
Josh Goodson
To reach out and try to be part of pack of wolves and do something very maybe specific for their business and such that you as a small business owner may not even know that you have access to or are available just by doing it on your own I Guess if if we're kind of. Running it and have like the the network available for it. It may be it would probably be in your best interest to go through the collective than than not I guess is is a is is my opinion I guess more so than anything but um, that's the kind of the way that I see it. Everyone working everyone doing something.

32:56.77
redwhitepodcast
The.

33:05.18
Josh Goodson
Under the same umbrella probably will be better than just like 1 off here one off there random booster here random person there. Um and such.

33:12.65
redwhitepodcast
Right? Okay, so to be determined all right does does the pack of wolves have any first year targets goals like what's your fundraising numbers number of athletes. You're trying to sponsor or.

33:18.38
Josh Goodson
Yes, yes.

33:28.40
Josh Goodson
That Scott that Scott answered this question for you.

33:30.32
redwhitepodcast
What's the he roundaboutly? yeah he he tried to avoid specifics but he he gave us skinnna there.

33:36.79
Josh Goodson
Well I don't I don't know any athletes and I don't I don't know any so I don't I don't have any information on that. But I think that like there was an we had a big meeting last night and and again we've been doing a lot of research of other collectives and such of what.

33:42.78
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

33:53.26
Josh Goodson
What is a collective that's doing it right? and that like puts that collective in the best position to succeed you know initially and I do think the number is something like thing. It was like 1 you need 1 to two and a half million in basically like starting a starter fund right? and it just like as a.

34:08.48
redwhitepodcast
Right.

34:12.40
Josh Goodson
You want to raise that amount as fast as possible I guess is the best way to say it and I think that we at nsy state want to be on the high end of that number to be able to compete in the power 5 to be completely transparent. So I don't I don't think that number. Ah I think I can say that out loud and know I mean I could have said 20000000 and people would be like cool like whatever but I think the number that we spoke about like.

34:18.53
redwhitepodcast
1

34:25.17
redwhitepodcast
Right.

34:31.60
Josh Goodson
I do think and that's based and again that's based off of research of other collectives. So I don't think that's like private information or something like that. But I think you know two and a half million initially um is is probably something that you know we would love to have prior to football you know football season starting I guess is a good way to say it.

34:33.53
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

34:51.80
redwhitepodcast
So we're not going to be Texas a and m with eighty eight million dollar annual collective is that is that what your cha tell me.

34:51.52
Josh Goodson
Throughout this summer

34:57.67
Josh Goodson
Well we could I talked about it before if if we could get people if we could get our some of our alumni his name rhymes with rim rude night. Um you know and he's got a lot of money right.

35:13.58
redwhitepodcast
I Love it I Love it. Yeah.

35:14.47
Will
We we need a Sas. You need a saas internship right? That's that's what we got to get going.

35:16.85
Josh Goodson
Right? Like I mean that's right? No I mean and I'm um, that's I'm not leaking anything there. You know I'm just kind of speaking out loud and such but you know so if we had stuff like someone like that on board who is you know part of it that that would be good.

35:22.22
redwhitepodcast
With yeah.

35:32.60
redwhitepodcast
Nice I know you're you're clueded on social media and all that have you seen and will not did a whole podcast on this one. The Oregon ducks ducks of a feather nftt promotion and that whole oh alright I'll send you that information. It's super interesting yall should look at.

35:43.74
Josh Goodson
No I've not I have not yeah.

35:51.84
redwhitepodcast
How they raised money using crypto and then a partnership with Nike to create like unlimited or limited addition sneakers with an Nft attached to um it was super interesting. They raised a lot of money doing it I'll pass that on to um.

36:05.31
Josh Goodson
Right? Tim Tim Mckay's big into the nft world I'm telling you that dude is just he he's gonna end up like he could he could probably run this collective in 20 years or 10 years if you you know he wanted to use that he's ad smart and that engaged and such. So.

36:11.76
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

36:17.76
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I got it down to ask him because I was for sure he was aware or aware of it or least a concept. He'd be interested in well well Josh I go ahead.

36:23.19
Josh Goodson
Good day. Yeah, yeah.

36:27.91
Will
What said we pride we oh yeah there you sorry I was gonna say wery want to break there because we do actually have Tim in about 2 minutes and and and 45 minutes or of that interview are gonna be Nft talk between him and Evan.

36:34.35
Josh Goodson
Um, go sweet.

36:35.20
redwhitepodcast
It? yeah.

36:43.62
redwhitepodcast
Ah, well Josh you want to give you a chance to promote yourself right? use our audience make your n ni case where could people find you? How can you help them.

36:45.14
Josh Goodson
Wow! Get real, get real nerdy with it I like it.

36:53.45
Josh Goodson
Um, yeah, ta.

37:00.50
redwhitepodcast
With their mortgages are mortgage rates going up now. They keep you know, jacking up percentages.

37:01.80
Josh Goodson
Sure? yeah, they're at me. Yeah I tell it I mean I if I need to if I need to say they're going up I do if I need to say they're going down I'll use that too. No, they're they're going up right now. Um I'm on Twitter josh W Goodson I live in winddale from eastern North Carolina originally went to u and c. Bu organ actually asked me last night he's like why you and c and how did you stay a state fan and this this would be a quick story. Well I went there my my freshman year we played I was the guy that was like I'm still a stay fan I'm gonna wear red on. Campus bla blah I'm not you know, kind of being you know a jerk about it or whatnot and the first football game as my as a freshman year that state and u and c played it was in Chapel Hill and it was the t a mcclinan game and I think I I told boo last night I was like.

37:47.71
redwhitepodcast
Oh man.

37:53.99
Josh Goodson
If there was ever a time where like maybe I'll become a Uc fan or care about you and c or whatever it was not gonna be after that because obviously it was like ridiculous ending and I'm like I can never pull for these cheaters. We got cheated again in Chapel Hill and like I'm never gonna pull for this team and I think that was like the moment where it's like you know what. Um, I went there for school reasons and whatnot and I'm never gonna care about their their athletics and such so I'm I am one of the very very very few and such that that went to you and see in a diehard state fan. So.

38:25.24
redwhitepodcast
Love it. Well we appreciate all your work you're doing with the collective and appreciate you trying to get Dave Klauss and another job. All these things keep on. They're very important. Yeah, it's a very important both of them are very important to to state fans so we appreciate your time.

38:35.54
Josh Goodson
I'm gonna keep trying I might it's gonna happen one day it is gonna happen one day. Um, for sure. Well do appreciate y'all go back.

38:44.96
redwhitepodcast
And your efforts there and anything else we can do to help you all in the future. Please let us know all right? Yep, go back.

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