Ep 292 - It's All Your Fault

Whiskey Will and I talk about NC State's wild ride on the Twitterverse, a glimmer of hope in the offense, Devin Leary's future with the Pack and much more.

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00:21.19
redwhitepodcast
All right folks we are back with another edition of the red my podcast I'm your host Evan here if my man will will did you know that it's all your fault for not showing up to the stadium. All your fault. Everything bad that happens is your fault.

00:40.68
ScotchWill
Well I usually don't show up on Thursday night. So I guess I'll take the blame I believe I suck no I'm I only suck if I leave the game. That's.

00:44.49
redwhitepodcast
No, you are a bad fan.

00:53.17
redwhitepodcast
Now if you don't show up I've heard you suck too. Oh man.

00:58.60
ScotchWill
How many whiskeys had had when you listen to him tell that story. There's 0% chance he was not semi drunk if his if that's his explanation.

01:10.12
redwhitepodcast
I did hear the coaches were spent into some late night at the rv parking lot after that Virginia Big Virginia Tech win so maybe

01:17.39
ScotchWill
But he said that was Saturday and it was his day off and yeah, you hear him tell that story and I'm just like my boy that sounds like someone who's that 3 or 4 bourbons is really kicking it back. Maybe got too much sun that day.

01:30.41
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, Whiskey Ill would know whiskey. But so if you've been living under shell and don't know what the hell we are talking about. Ah.

01:35.17
ScotchWill
I Know I mean I can sense it. But.

01:46.53
redwhitepodcast
State virginia tech game. The atmosphere was very lackluster after 10 puns in the first half a lot of people decide to leave not come back and Dave Doran retweeted a quote superfan that said you all suck I mean. Whatever it was. It was ridiculous judgmental immature statement whatever Dave retweeted it as a badge of honor so to speak and then jokingly said in his press conference. That he's sorry he would he was running an experiment. He said I could have decide I was trying to figure it out if I should like this or retweet it. You know so I just figured out well's see what happens if I retweet this and he said I'm sorry for upsetting the Twitter verse and very. Dismissal maybe of the whole thing and I don't want to say he was talking down to folks because I don't think that was that but it was very um I don't know yeah I don't know the right term yeah, still there.

02:48.00
ScotchWill
Did did he leave it did he leave it retweeted. Yeah so I mean I'm surprised no one in there said, why would you choose a tweet that says your fans suck I'm sure there are plenty others to choose from.

03:01.57
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

03:07.49
ScotchWill
And it's I don't know maybe I'm looking into it too much. But I feel like Dave Doran in the football program know who that person is yeah you know it's not like it was a real random selection out there. It's not like he was keyword searching and just said oh wow, there's a random.

03:16.20
redwhitepodcast
Oh yeah, a hundred percent no yeah ah no this because this person has tweeted that.

03:25.36
ScotchWill
1 here right? You know I just.

03:31.11
redwhitepodcast
Doran should be fired and Beck should be fired and at one point Gibson probably should have been fired and everybody else should have been fired. But yeah.

03:37.10
ScotchWill
Yeah I mean 27 minutes into the game. She said fire 10 beck on there and so it's like that's where I kind of draw the line I'm like look if if you want to go blast fans then you can't be 1 that's contributing to that that kind of toxic environment yourself and. You know it's it's just kind of bullshit. It would have been funnier if he had retweeted the fire Tim Beck tweet ah

03:59.84
redwhitepodcast
Um, that that would have been funnier like you want to seen experiments see if your offensive coordinat is paying attention to Twitter and that would have been more funny like I no too just kidding just kidding too I don't mean that just experiment to see if you're paying attention.

04:06.74
ScotchWill
Well, he probably is yeah 10 tim's on there. He's active.

04:16.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, we know Tim's active go check out Tim Bex likes Tim back has some interesting Twitter activity I there's so many ways to to take this and I'm kind of tired of talking about it because we've been talking about in the chat for about three days now but essentially.

04:19.70
ScotchWill
So oh.

04:29.84
ScotchWill
I Thought your your your tweet thread on it was good I thought.

04:34.87
redwhitepodcast
Well I mean look I'm not a 12 year old anymore like I used to be the fan I never leave early right? I get it I understand that mentality. But you're free to do whatever the hell you want you pay for your tickets you pay for your time Thursday night like I got some emails that people who are upset. At Dave retweeting that because like I you know I have limited time I have limited money and I spend my time when I can to go to the football game and Thursday night it was a hard night for me because I'm working and you know I had a lot of people who echoed that like I got multiple emails saying the same thing that. You know it's disingenuous for somebody like that to pass judgment on another fan, you have no idea of a person's circumstances right? You you don't know I'm I'm happy that anybody decide to come to the game those are for the most part sold out like it's you know. I appreciate that I'm not going to cast judgment if somebody's got to leave I don't know if you know maybe their kids not feeling well or maybe they're you know their kids have school the next day or they have to go to work or they're working in the night shift like there's so many ways that you could have. Put some empathy into that situation and and not just say you suck for leaving like that's just such an immature statement. It's just such a the whole thing was just immature and and Dave Dorn retweeting it is completely lacking of self-awareness.

06:04.27
redwhitepodcast
Dave why was the energy in that stadium dead right? If if if our media had any balls. That's what they would have asked him so Dave why why was the feed eat and why was it. Why were the fans not excited or why was the atmosphere less than it could have been for a Thursday night.

06:19.67
ScotchWill
Yeah, maybe.

06:22.30
redwhitepodcast
Oh maybe because you're not living up to expectations or maybe because your offense punted 5 times in the first half.

06:28.86
ScotchWill
Yeah I mean like it's I mean you got to remember right up until the third what 4 minutes left in the third quarter they hadn't scored a touchdown in 8 plus quarters and so like look.

06:41.88
redwhitepodcast
Eight quarters

06:47.54
ScotchWill
Fans probably maybe? yeah I don't know I'm gonna guess like a quarter of the fan base was already a little antsy and frustrated with the offense in the just just the season in general when Leary got knocked out of that fsu game but we were not looking good. Prior to that. Anyways, right? they had 1 drive at start of that half so he goes out you luck box your way into winning a game against Florida state you go on the road and look just you know, just completely ineffective on. On offense, you look like you're just calling an extremely conservative game plan. You can't do anything in the red zone. So then you get a biweek and people are like all right? We're gonna kind of let this thing wash over us a little bit and you come out with the same crap to start the game short short passes. It was screen slant. Draw flat flat pass I mean that's your first 5 passes you know against a kinson inferior opponent right? And then you're you're shuffling between the quarterbacks. No one's getting a rhythm. You're not doing anything. Like it's amazing. People didn't just leave at halftime and not come back and then just start complaining about people that left in the third quarter like once once it was 21 to 3 you know as I was watching I was like I'm watching because I feel like someone's getting fired and so I'm gonna watch and see how this ends you know, but I just think it's insane to just think that.

08:19.37
ScotchWill
Everyone should show up and keep paying money and sit there and cheer cheer cheer when you're putting a real garbage product on the field and thank god that Mj Morris just came in something clicked tre timmins made 2 big plays. You just started functioning. You started using the full field and you were a lot more aggressive. You know people are like well what changed you know and ips was talking about how it's the same concepts but just the frequency of the concepts for being used and that's the thing. It's like everyone's been saying. It's not that the playbook doesn't have these plays. It's that you're not calling them very often. And you're not taking advantage of it so fans have been sitting there for what 8 games at that point 9 games 8 games and just saying when the hell are you going to play offense so they left Thursday night man people had stuff to do traffic was bad getting there if I recall. You know it's just like why should they sit around I just I I can't believe it's not him saying it after the game I don't care I get it like you wish people had stayed. It's it's just tweeting something that says your fans suck I don't know man.

09:33.66
redwhitepodcast
You said it you said it to me it probably the best I The his best response so it could have been hey I know we're frustrated or I know the fans want to see.

09:35.76
ScotchWill
Like.

09:48.42
redwhitepodcast
Um, whatever like a better product in the field or you know more dynamic officer. However, you said it like it was just the right way a day to respond not being antagonistic to the fan base.

10:03.29
redwhitepodcast
Ah, it's it's annoying to me like at at some point the the players are getting paid. The coaches are getting paid $5000000 and it all again, it's another thing they throw back at the fans.

10:17.27
redwhitepodcast
All your fans didn't show up or your fans sit and donate to the ha I ah or your fans don't do this or your fans at them like at some point like if you haven't scored an offensive touchdown in eight quarters how is a fan supposed to you know vote with their wallet as they say or. You know? However, you want to say like I don't buy the certain product or that don't do this get up and leave that is entire right? and and Dave should be looking that and saying these fans don't suck. They're frustrated because our offense sucks. Our offense isn't inept and we're keep doing the same thing over and over year and out and getting the same product and not.

10:48.46
ScotchWill
Yeah.

10:52.72
redwhitepodcast
And and wasting this special season like that's the that's the backside to it and it just.

10:56.26
ScotchWill
It's it's weird for people to be like well you're 6 and 2 you should be happy and it's like hey trust me I'm happy that we're 6 and 2 I'm glad that we're both eligible. There's a lot of positives there but you. The current composition of of the team and what you were seeing for those past 2 games was not what got you to 6 and 2 right? It was a product of your schedule great defense devon larry not completely crap in the bed in certain games and then what like. Your your season radically changed during that fsu game. You saw the Syracuse Game you didn't see anything there that felt positive then you go into the biweek and you come out and you're like man this looks regress it looks like it looked like they regressed over the biweek. It didn't look like they had improved. So it's It's yeah you know you sit here and you go. Okay now I have to hope that Mj was not. It was just not a freak accident. It wasn't it virginia tech being the bad Virginia tech team that they are wasn't that they were being hyper aggressive with cover one or cover 0 right? like I um I don't know. They they saw that you couldn't throw the ball and then you started throwing the ball and things changed for you. So hopefully take a hint from that 10 backck like there's there's advantages there but am could come out and stink against wake could stink. You know we'll probably be bc but he could stink against eagle. We just saw what they did they could stink against you and c on the road like.

12:23.80
ScotchWill
There's a lot of unknowns left. So like it's good that we got over one hump. Let's just see where it goes from here but I don't know man any coach that does that That's a kind of coaching action or activity that makes me think like they're not going to be here and it's like if you. Think your product on the field was so great. Well then why is your athletic director giving an interview and not even talking about the team in the game right? like I've had more beef there. Why does he retweeting of our boot tweets you know like I don't know man like we're still Ranked. We're ranked in the cfp I think.

12:45.75
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

12:58.66
ScotchWill
Like it's It's all good man like all those little checkboxes are great but you should be able to look behind the curtain a little bit and say well. There's some concerning things here and you know let's see what they do against wake.

13:09.47
redwhitepodcast
This is how bad it is so I put out here's Dave's quote I'm sorry for upsetting Twitter verse I think having a stadium full for a full game that helps you play better or recruit better in the way he said it was very again I don't want to say condescending but he was just kind of like. Joking when he said it like he was very. He was very laughing about it like he's very sure of himself I don't I don't know what the right way to say it is but when Joe Ovius of all people is on your side and says maybe experiment I'm being aggressive on offense to start a game. Rather than waiting to be down a couple scores before opening things up like that exactly is there. Everybody's frustration. You're down 18 points to a terrible terrible virginia tech team like they are terrible and that's what it took and it it took it still took putting in your other quarterback. And letting him do things or I don't know like what they asked of him to do to be honest, but he was making place. It took that it took that dire need if they had lost that game I we were talking about in the chat or in the game like this is about to be an all time bad loss. And I equateated to a very bad Virginia team beating Tom O'brien his last year and that stadium felt the very same way that night like early on that's that's how that felt punt punt punt people were dead.

14:27.25
ScotchWill
Yeah.

14:40.16
redwhitepodcast
You know it was dead then you go down, you just give up 2 long scores and to a team that's just absolutely inept and the people are frustrated like it's it's completely tone deaf for for him to be doing that and like dude you get paid $5000000 a year. I'm frustrated with you. Our fans are frustrated with you. It's it's our entertainment you are getting paid for it. You should be apologizing to us and not asking the fans to be better. You should be asking yourself to be better. You should be asking your your offensive coordinator to be better. Your offensive staff to be better.

15:16.60
ScotchWill
You it's.

15:18.66
redwhitepodcast
That's what you should be should have some so have some introspection there and look at okay well why are they frustrated with us. Well, you're six two should be good like I I hate that response you know people don't appreciate. You're 6 and 2 I'm not here to be bull eligible like I'm not support this day I want to win like I want to. I don't want to be second fiddle to carolina who's going to win the coastal. Go the acc championship game. We got to hear that nonsense like state hasn't won every every team in the damn league other than 3 have won a division at some point over this over his tenure. And you're telling me that you're frustrated with us as a fan stop stop it this fan. The fan base has been there all year the fan base has supported this team charleston southern game Yukon game. Those were good crowds for terrible teams. People left this game people didn't show up for this game because they're frustrated with what you're seeing. They're frustrated with not scoring an offensive touchdown in eight quarters they're frustrated with their coach coming out at halftime and saying hey we're going to have to have our defense score like what? what.

16:20.70
ScotchWill
Yeah, you know it's funny.

16:29.85
redwhitepodcast
Get out of here man.

16:30.78
ScotchWill
Yeah, you know what's funny is um, people are gonna show up people were as soon as Mj got a touchdown you know people were gonna show up for the weight game. It's already sold out. They got hope right? He didn't have to do anything now I guarantee like when the crowd's there and and.

16:38.95
redwhitepodcast
Oh yeah.

16:46.74
ScotchWill
And he's gonna be like I guess my my experiment worked you know and it's like not dude like it was Thursday night I bet they didn't even have any recruits in the building that weren't committed already I I guarantee it I guarantee they were not even trying to make this up.

16:57.39
redwhitepodcast
Right.

17:04.60
ScotchWill
That's where it just kind of comes across me. You're like f you man come on. We've been selling these these games out for years. You know you're you're giving us just enough to keep everyone happy but like I can't believe you could be so tone deaf about that and think that fans should be happy that it's 3 nothing against Virginia Tech you're a thirteen and a half point favorite. I mean it's just and then when they came out and started scoring and you're like they're not even doing anything special and they're moving the ball down the field right now then you start thinking? What's wake gonna do what's Louisville gonna do? What's you and c gonna do right and it just starts building up your hair like oh man we are Eff this is gonna be brutal.

17:28.99
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

17:41.21
ScotchWill
But a terrible way. This is gonna end because then you start going like oh my god we can't beat Virginia tech we probably can't beat Bc but don't worry Bc is worse than virginia tech right now. So I mean they lost see you come in. they're they're bad they're bad bad

17:51.68
redwhitepodcast
It's close.

17:56.62
redwhitepodcast
That Virginia art. Yeah moving on from this because I don't need to be chastised by an immature fan and I don't need to be chastised by a coach for getting paid $5000000 a year like for my support of this team.

17:57.75
ScotchWill
I mean vt lost the old dominion like I don't know. Um.

18:15.31
redwhitepodcast
Ah, pay my money a season ticket holder a wolf packck club member. All the things that somebody could ask of a fan and then you come out and say well because you didn't do this thing. You're a bad fan or I wish you'd go support another team like grow up man like it's just so some immature stuff that. Nobody's got time for I mean yeah, I'm go leave it at that. It's it's frustrating I a lot of people are frustrated with and I want to express the frustration that a lot of people have reached out to me and said hey that's that's some nonsense man I I've been supporting Dave but I don't like that right? and. I agree with y'all I'm like it's anywhere onto what happened on the field right? Let's let's actually talk about this game a little bit that team. Yeah that Blackford Virginia tech team is terrible.

19:01.99
ScotchWill
Why blacked out for three quarters

19:10.54
redwhitepodcast
They now but they scored on us which is something I want to talk about but the procedural penalties for Virginia tech like 10 false starts like I was told there's no crowd there so that it couldn't have been the crowd noise that was affecting them 10 fall starts like that's ah.

19:16.24
ScotchWill
Oh my god.

19:28.90
redwhitepodcast
That's unacceptable. They they gave us so many free yards in the game that I was just I was mind blown but I want to talk about I forgot what I was gonna talk about I don't know I want to talk about this game but I forgot where I was going with this.

19:41.66
ScotchWill
Jack Chambers Mg Morse

19:46.88
redwhitepodcast
Well, yeah I want to get to Mj like obviously but oh yeah, I was gonna go the offense right? So we saw what mj did but I want to talk kind of take a step back like is I got a couple questions in your opinion. What you saw from the offense in the fourth quarter was that a product of necessity only or was the right way to phrases. Like did they do that only because did they come out throwing a deep because they're behind or was it Mj coming in and not being apprehensive and scared to throw down the field like it was it the run the same set so like what did you see from that and and what have people said.

20:27.92
ScotchWill
I mean it's kind of 2 things. They. I mean they they clearly called more pass plays and you know I here's my thing is is Mj doesn't know well 2 things either mj doesn't know what he doesn't know right? So he's just like I'm gonna go through it I have no risk who cares if I throw an interception I'm down 3 scores right? I got to go do something. So it could be an element of just you know he hit 2 of 8 deep balls right? It's not like he was like 90% out there on the deep balls. But what I thought was impressive was the intermediate passes intermediate passes. You know the way he was working. Um, they are in pinex um, you know even timmans tims had 1 on the sideline that wasn't a deep ball like so he showed a little bit more than just being a pure deep ball threat like I mean it was just it was play calling and they just stopped you know I guess Phil Daford was pointing out like they kind of cut back on the rpos. And rpos in general are going to be shorter passes just by design because of the oline having limited amount of time to go downfield so you know I mean they they call different. They call different plays more frequently in the latter half of that game than they did upfront.

21:46.24
ScotchWill
And you could tell that they shifted from let's just try to work our way down the field defense is going to do its job to. We got to win this game. Um I mean my my concern is just is this just going to be only when you get down or. Can you do this from the get go cause I'll tell you what that defense sure as hell looked fired up once we started scoring points. You know like it. It takes your toll right to to sit there and sell out all game and I'm sure like in some way as a defensive player you're like ah is great man look at what we're doing holding to 0 but then the second that damn broke right? They just. They were just letting it go through. They just could you know vt came out. They run some um, un balanced stuff. They just took some shots. It wasn't like anything crazy what they were doing but then after we scored it was immediately a change in the energy right? The linebackers started hitting harder like wells and those guys just got unsettled it was just It's clearly different see like take from it what you can like.

22:42.20
redwhitepodcast
That would seem my question so and and I I believe I talked about we talked about this in our 10 minute take after the game but do you think the defense performed better after the offense showed some light life.

23:00.91
ScotchWill
Ah yes I think they had like did they have negative six yards or something in the fourth quarter right? now they had forty seven and half so marginal improvement I guess from that perspective. Um, you know I think.

23:05.52
redwhitepodcast
Correct. Yeah.

23:18.16
ScotchWill
Here's the thing the 2 things happen right? Virginia's tech still like yeah after we scored the first first one think they were still pretty conservative in their offense I mean I didn't go back and it's funny I rewatched that like 2 or 3 times later that night but I was literally just watching our offense over and over. Um you know they.

23:36.78
ScotchWill
I don't think virginia tech tried to go keep pushing it right? I think virginia tech is like well we'll coast. They're clearly not gonna do that again and then we did it again and then we did it again. You know defense just sure has held to me like just looked different knowing that that knowing that what they were doing mattered right? that. They still had to do their job in order for that comeback to work and they've been in that kind of situation before right? They know they know how to to play tight in the end of a game they did it against pit um, right, you've seen it and kind of saw it against you and c right? So it's not like this core of this team was unfamiliar with that scenario. Um, but they just I mean the linebackers in particular just look fired up I mean Thomas and they are are a patent got home I think a couple times in that fourth quarter and just it was it was awesome also it didn't hurt that the. The virginia tech Kick Returner was like a fumbling machine.

24:32.30
redwhitepodcast
So again, that's that's another one of those that seems terrible like I keep coming back to like those 2 plays where that kid the kick returner fumbled or pocket or kick returns fumbled them and picked him back up.

24:47.29
ScotchWill
Their kick returns.

24:52.11
redwhitepodcast
Like those are huge because they lost them 20 plus yards and pins them deep into their territory right? and the one the one that fumbles and bounces right? back to the other guy you're like oh come on. That's just that's just ridiculous, but still they were huge place because that's just you're backed up on an offense that really can't do anything.

24:56.31
ScotchWill
Um, yeah.

25:11.62
redwhitepodcast
Other than make 2 long plays when your db falls down.

25:13.61
ScotchWill
Yeah, and that's the other thing too is like the defense I mean that game plan was not conducive to state's defense getting turnovers right? like they were not putting the ball in dangerous places. It was deep sidelines shortouts. You know or to the running back like they were not putting the ball on a spot where that secondary could do what it needs to do right? like it's gonna be different against wake forest wake forest is gonna push the ball no matter what? um so you know that was the other thing is like I just probably Dave and the staff is thinking at some point they're gonna turn this over like we're hitting them so hard. They're. They're in so many long you know, third and longs and they just they're like no, we're just cool. We'll punt like they just didn't it's like Virginia tech didn't want to score until the third quarter and they said and we might as well squirt around and try to pass forward once.

26:03.50
redwhitepodcast
So nc state looks like a terrible team for three quarters of that game like terrible offense I again.

26:07.82
ScotchWill
Two two thirdds of it looked like a good team though I mean like you got to you got to specify the defense looked really good for most of that game punters were great.

26:14.73
redwhitepodcast
I like but okay, the defenses look good against a very bad team but the offense look terrible what going into wake forest what are you expecting. Like I from I'm gonna get real specific real quick here for a second I think m and Morris at some point is going to come back down to earth. We can't I just want to temper. Everybody's expectations while he looked good and he made some plays. You can't expect the kid to come out against a better teamen and perform that well like I just I'm not expecting him I'm expecting it to him to make some mistakes wakes his well coach they're going to scheme some things up that are trying to trying to confuse him so I am. Ah, not expecting him to be a world beater again I what I do like is that he played fearlessly and was willing to throw the jump ball. He was willing to throw those balls and get p eyes and you know makes make some tough attempts or tough challenges right? He did. Some things that we have been too afraid to do I've said this earlier I thought Leary had playing tight all year I think he was trying to chase that interception number from last year 35 and 3 and you know you do that by not taking any risks and you know that's his deep balls are all long 0 chance of getting intercepted like.

27:32.57
ScotchWill
Yeah.

27:46.97
redwhitepodcast
And you know his he took his lot checkdown a lot and the easy first read. So I think Morris comes back to earth a little bit at some point I don't know if it's a wake forest game but I just want everybody to to have some I mean. I don't know like to just temper your expectations because he's he's a freshman and he's going to do freshman things but the upside is what got everybody excited the fact that he was willing to take shots and they were throwing it down the field. But what are you expecting us from. Let's say those taking pieces the defensive side. How do you expect them to play wake forest I don't expect wake forest to have the same performance they did against Louisville turning it over eight times in the second half but the Louisville showed you that you can disrupt the mesh if you can win up front right? and you stay and you've said it before you stay disciplined in the back end and.

28:39.32
ScotchWill
Yeah.

28:45.60
redwhitepodcast
Win up front and that really you know pigeonholes what wake forest is trying to do so what do you expect them from defensively from this team is it going to be going to call them to negative six yards or is it going to be. You know a little bit more offensive prowess there.

29:00.70
ScotchWill
Um, well yeah, ill talk about like I want to say on on mj like I think it's the positives were he was very calm in the pocket. Um Phil Danford broke down this one passing concept which I cannot remember what the demo is now is that.

29:08.53
redwhitepodcast
Yes.

29:17.63
ScotchWill
Basically it has it beats 3 coverages and just each route is a certain coverage beater and he chose the right one every time we ran it 3 times in the third quarter or fourth quarter one was a big pass play. One was a touchdown with air and one was another big play to pinnox right? So that tells me he. Knows how to read what he's seeing and choose the right person. So now they did try to confuse him a little bit you almost there were pick to pinnix because of that. So I think they're gonna be working on that all week to get hit some of these checkdowns that were open because of the way he's passing it so there is some hope there we we'll get on that later but I just want to say that before I forgot like i. He could be consistent going forward. Um, so I just rewatched the twenty Twenty state weight game and I just watched three quarters of the Louisville game. Um.

29:56.91
redwhitepodcast
I Hope so.

30:11.63
ScotchWill
And I didn't have time to watch the 2021 weight game but I asked Philip Dannford like what he saw in that game that was different than normal and so when I was watching the twenty Twenty game it looked like we were a lot of times in single high with the safeties. We weren't blitzing like crazy like I was expecting. Um, but it was a game where Payton Wilson it was like ah just a real key like off the edge like you can see what athleticism does to the wake forest um, not just to the match but to their o line and everything like they're blocking. Everything gets kind of disrupted if there's any amount of speed coming by them and so you watch that game back. We were like mixing it up a lot of coverages. We weren't as crazy in the blitz as I did not get to go back and watch the 2021 tape which I you know, but what Philip said was um. They killed us on third downs in particular they were mixing up um a lot of our coverages. Um, he said we were like kind of like all over the place we're in 2 man more than we were any time in the season and we were and cover zero. We were just mixing it up. He said on third down. He had wake forest converting 8 of 12 when state was coverage oriented aka no blitz and he had them 5 of 7 because of 2 penalties or sorry 5 of nine when we did blitz so it was kind of like you're screwed no matter what I'm third down but what I want to go back and look in that game is what we did in first and second because I feel like we were blitzing a lot more off the edge.

31:41.60
redwhitepodcast
I Remember that too I remember we didn't get home on a few of those and got burned.

31:41.38
ScotchWill
Um, with the Dbs. But yeah it it was yeah there was a lot of pressure but it's like when he like Sam Hartman basically if you come off the it's a corner or you know nickel or whoever comes in at him. And he he will just throw it to wherever they vacated. Um, and it's almost always like a if it's a t parry. It's almost always like a 30 about 25 about 30 to forty five Yard pass he just launches it up and a lot of times they're underthrown because Sam Hartman has a water pistol. An arm. Um, he's not that talented a lot of times he's like throwing off his back foot. So I guess it kind of makes sense. Maybe when he's playing that he's better, but you know so what I saw with Louis Hole when I was watching that game was like first early on in the game. The their defensive line was twisting a lot. Which seemed you know at least with the 2 interior guys and that seemed to be causing some problems but what I noticed is a couple things 1 on on all their blitzes and pressures that were successful. They were basically containing the pocket and collapsing it so they weren't running by on one side they weren't getting overloaded. It was the two edge. Whoever even if they twisted out to it. The edge guys were keeping the pocket in check and so if they were blitzing either delayed Blitz or a blitz off the corner at the running back. It was keeping the pocket small Sam was stuck in it and oftentimes.

33:14.50
ScotchWill
They were keeping their they would get close have their hands up and either they would strip him disrupt it you know or he'd get the pass off like he like he normally does the other thing I noticed was they have a cornerback Louisville does and they were just putting him on the line like he was the fourth or fifth guy on the line. And he was just sprinting by their tackle and causing all sorts of problems for for them. So you know it was just simple speed right? And so when I watched that I kept thinking to myself. Well boy like pain wilson in the Twenty Twenty game did similar things. So I expect him to have a big game but it's gonna be really interesting to see if we pull any of our Dbs just literally down off the defensive end and say just go just go blitz around the corner and see if you can get around the sky. Um, because that caused a ton of problems for them and then once you get Sam Hartman making mistakes. Did it in the mayo bowl. He did against us last year he started throwing a lot of picks did against pit you know it's just like yeah in the mayo. Yeah, and that mayo I think it was the mayable like he it's like if you get him disrupted. He's bad. He's he just melts down. Um, and that's gonna be the key right? like.

34:15.26
redwhitepodcast
Wisconsin a few years ago.

34:28.67
ScotchWill
Crowd needs to be loud state needs to be careful with how they blitz him. But as long as everyone's sitting there kind of containing that pocket. We like we messed them up Delayed Blitz will get him coming up the the gut. Um I don't know I mean Louisville Louisville was just.

34:46.39
ScotchWill
Insistent upon how they were going to blitz them and they were just throwing speed and their guys aren't that big too. So that was also kind of interesting like a lot of their guys when the the guys that were actually getting home to him were Dbs then linebackers like they're their dline's not that huge I'm I'm curious if they're going to be a similar problem for us. Um, based on like what we've seen with this twists earlier in the year with Clemson and I think maybe fsu so I don't know that's I'll take a break here, but there's hope.

35:13.92
redwhitepodcast
I think one of the differences that we'll see in this year versus last year especially is Tyler Baker Williams healthy Cyrus Cyrus Vain's healthy Peyton Wilson's healthy. we didn't have all of those guys last year I think. That makes a big difference. Especially if you look at like we talking about in the chat today who's going who they going to put on a t perry and I think it might be bankker Williams what virginia tech did was pull their tight end out to out out wide. And Baker Williams followed him and I wonder if Baker ah Baker Williams size and just ball skills in general and consistency is what they're gonna basically is he gonna play corner. Battle struggled against Virginia Tech are they going to you know, lean on Baker Williams to basically cover a t perry I think that that's could be 1 of the matchups there I don't know the I was gonna Sayre Pitts because he's physical and he's. You know he'll hang on him and punch him and do whatever he needs to to play defense but then pits only played 1 snap in this virginia tech game. It was on special teams. It was really strange. We were talking about in the chat like as did Pitts play and I like I swear a saw him.

36:45.91
redwhitepodcast
And I did I saw him on the 1 tackle he made on the one play he was in for special team sounds like what that's strange. So I don't know what's going on there so that matching up with. Wakes wide receivers is going to be interesting one like Aidan White's been our best corner all year but is he physical enough to match up with pits I mean with a t perry I don't know it's gonna be that's going to be the one that I see but the. The defense being healthy for the most part, another lost sa on Jackson for the year but the rest of the defense in the back being healthy is going to be huge in being able to actually defend wag's ah offense.

37:27.68
ScotchWill
Well like here's the thing too. The reason I went back and watched that twenty twenty game because I was like well the defense was healthier so I wanted to see what more of those guys on the field meant versus the twenty Twenty one game where you had like 7 guys out at that point Tyler Baker Williams I don't believe played that game I'm sure Fagin was out. You know, obviously no payyton wilson yeah, yeah, got um but I went back and watched that twenty twenty game and we'll see we had malique will or we had Leak Dunlap was in the game a lot and we had ah ah Rakim Ashford was playing significant snaps. And a lot of times I came here if he was on perry or on green but he was getting just torched um to the sidelines a lot like you know you know that was a guy that was just coming out of ju go ball and um, what clearly it wasn't ready I think you know, but so you go back and watch that game but you can see like what the the front 6 was doing.

38:09.99
redwhitepodcast
You know.

38:24.60
ScotchWill
Ah, you know we obviously don't have a Daniel Joseph right now. So you're gonna have to hope that um god who's the defensive in that is replacing savvy on right now. Um dakins price Clark who knows I can't remember.

38:35.15
redwhitepodcast
Price van dokins is it South Carolina Devin Van to valleyley price.

38:41.85
ScotchWill
I know that's how bad my my brain was fritz in there. Um, yeah, so so Joseph had a a pretty decent game. He kind of cleaned up a lot of stuff late in that game. Um, but a lot of the core was there. Ah so it's gonna be.

38:57.38
ScotchWill
Be, really interesting right? because like I felt like a lot of last year's problems and a lot of the aggression we were seeing on defense last year was because we were down all those starters and Tony knew he had limited bullets with the defensive line right? We had all kinds of injuries and you know I don't know I mean I guess if it gets out of control. You'll see a lot of cramps on. Saturday for sure. But yeah I mean I just I think they're going to try to to see if anything can be replicated from that game plan. You know Louisville had a lot of 3 down sets in that game too. Um that I noticed that. Sometimes we're successful as well. So I mean it's just kind of one of those games where I mean just don't be overly insanely blitzhevy off the corner and I think you're going to be fine.

39:43.20
redwhitepodcast
I'll tell you I'll tell you what concerns me and it's not necessarily the personnel. But I've seen it before with this team or with the staff is when a team like wake loses a game a week or two before we play them. We and we like we've said it in our press conference before we saw what? so and so did we tried to do it and it didn't work. This is what concerns me is that they they see what Louisville did try to replicate it but wakes like. You know closet and them are not stupid. They're going to try to fix the issues that Louisville exploited but we're going to sit here and pretend like hey maybe they're not going to fix them and we're gonna do the same thing like it's happened before the staff and that is my concern like hey we'll just do what Louisville did and then come out and yeah, can't do what Louisville did you.

40:30.48
ScotchWill
Yeah.

40:37.20
ScotchWill
I well I mean I my my thing is is like they're you're limited because your personnel is not the same but the 3 down is probably going to like I was saying kind of hold up the pocket in some way and then you're probably gonna see a lot of Blake or Drake and Peyton.

40:37.60
redwhitepodcast
Don't know what to do.

40:56.68
ScotchWill
Coming off the edges is my guess. Um, yeah, we didn't have Peyton last year and I feel like that was kind of the reason why you saw that now when we played them and 20 We would go single high and we would bring I think it was Jaqui and Harris was coming in a lot of times down into the box.

41:08.20
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

41:12.30
ScotchWill
Um, and that really never really hurt us. But at the same time like they were taking the same kind of vertical shots. They were back then as well. So and frankly like their y receiver course better today than it was then but their running back room is worse in my opinion. Um. They've they've got a younger running back back there that was causing he was struggling with Louisville and all Louisville was doing was just running just pile driving into him and putting their hands up. Um, you know they don't have Kens Walker who would they had in 2020 I don't think they have Beel Smith anymore if I remember correctly think he transferred out. Um you know? So it's it's It's really going to be a game of can the can the secondary hold up. Can we avoid getting bullshit past interference penalties on us when they're just clearly underth throwing balls to get them. Um, and yeah, can we just weather a storm they will score points in this game you know unless you turn them over fast early.

41:55.56
redwhitepodcast
Get.

42:04.79
ScotchWill
Um, so you just got to kind of be patient but I I don't know.

42:04.94
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, the let me let me introduce you for a second the when did wake force wide receivers turn into duke basketball like in the eyes of the officials wake forest can do no wrong their receivers get p I calls. Like Duke gets charge calls and it's unbelievable like louis they did everything they could to screw Louisville in that first half of the game like as like leafless got no chance that everything is every call has gone against them and they were just blatantly bad. The the one touchdown.

42:26.90
ScotchWill
Think the refs are tired. Yeah.

42:41.51
ScotchWill
Yeah.

42:43.45
redwhitepodcast
That wasn't that shouldn' have been a touchdown. They called the touchdown you're like how do you miss that the ball is in the ground. It's unbelievable, but like you said, go ahead. Yeah.

42:49.32
ScotchWill
Well, that reminds about I gonna say in 2020 right? We strip them early in the game like we clearly come up with a ball like there's no doubt they review it and then somehow they're like nope wake as a ball you know it's just I don't know man. Review process in general just in college drives me insane. Um, you know I I can't understand it. But yeah I mean that's the thing is like are the refs just tired and they're just like ah we'll just let them have it like if we give them this if we throw this flag. It'll buy us 30 seconds of breathing while we discuss the penalty. It wouldn't surprise me if there were some element of that when in these wake games. Um, but here's the thing man they're fucking good at it a t perry like you're gonna watch him man. He's gonna be running down the sideline and he's just going to have his arm out like this which you guys can't see. And then he's going to be catching it over here one handed or trying to catch it one handed because he's got a great wingspan and like that's where that's why it's important to have really big guys occasionally like he's six five there are guys I think are like 6 2 I so it's going to be some some mismatches anyways. But they're not trotting Keon lasain out there right? who. When he tries to do that. It's like you know, 2 thirds of what Ac period can do you know and they play they just they play to it. They they scheme to it and that's why I said like I just don't like giving them that easy shot I just don't think that blitz off the corner really is worth it. I don't think it ever really translates you. You rarely get home.

44:13.95
ScotchWill
You have a much better chance of getting home with a db on the on the line of scrimmage than you do with ones screaming off 5 or seven yards away it just it's hardly ever works.

44:22.30
redwhitepodcast
So you mentioned wake for is clearly going to score some points is an stake and score some points touchdowns.

44:31.30
ScotchWill
Yeah I think so I mean I mean we can't stop scoring touchdowns as far as I'm concerned now. Um, yeah I mean.

44:38.98
redwhitepodcast
So like bring this hold on bring this back to the very first topic Mj Morris's ability to throw a touchdown or throw a deep ball or throw a pass with some touch on it like all of that has brought newfound optimism to. Like the fans right? There's there's hope offense equals. Hope I've been saying in all year offense equals hope every time James Henderson texts me and we go back and forth about it offenses hope and if you don't have any offense. You don't have your hope but mj brings you hope right? and m brings you a hope that you can score some points in the stadium will be packed in it will be loud and it will be all those things. Sorry. Back to my initial question are we going to score some points.

45:21.39
ScotchWill
Yeah I mean I think we will I mean wake forces isn't like a scary defense by any means. Um they have some smaller players. They have a there I think they have a defensive tackle that's from that came from like Richmond. Maybe like university original I think is what it was like they've got some undersized guys in there and they I think a couple of them got dinged up in the the ul game too I'm be curious I couldn't see their depth chart or what their injury report is Dave well Dave Klassen historically also as Kate equally as Cagey as Dave Doran is

45:45.35
redwhitepodcast
Nonsense anyway. Um, yeah.

45:52.71
ScotchWill
Um, like my thing with what my thing with Mj is it's clear that his passes were at least accurate like there were there were plays that were open and and Jack Chambers was making the correct read and then he was airmailing the ball right? or was late. And some argument could be well, he's shorter he wasn't seeing it or he's having to hold it longer to get you know, get a glance in the pocket. Whatever right? So I think him gay is going to move the ball fine I don't there's I mean honestly, there's no defensive juggernaut in the back half of this schedule at this point. But Virginia tech was probably it just just because they have a Dc for a head coach right? and you know that they're going to be focused on that sort of thing. Um, you know my thing is Mj reminds me a lot of Jamie Newman like not a dynamic runner. Ah, very headful esteem like I think you said like very Jacoby perset ish. But at the same time like against certain opponents Jacoby perset looks incredibly athletic and can get guys. You know he can twist people up right? I mean he there was some um pack on pack crime I think last night when he like ah pump faked.

46:49.87
redwhitepodcast
Ah.

46:54.68
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

47:04.60
ScotchWill
Germaine Pratt into the air and then just like sidestepped and made a little toss. You know Jacoby still got it and so you know the only thing that worries me is you're going to have that kind of cube power run or counter run game that you saw against vt and there's a lot of times where he gets kind of stood up and starts.

47:07.67
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

47:22.42
ScotchWill
He got gets turned around and falls backwards and then gets it really hard in his back and that's where I'm kind of worried like they're going to have to keep using that element of the game because I think it's going to be there against wake forest but you know I'm just worried about more about his durability if he keeps taking shots like that. But. You know, like just go back and look at the passes he made if you can go back and either just quickly watch like a silon wolf cut of the game I don't know if anyone has just all of it Mj's passes but the the ones in the seam. The ones down the sideline the ones just on the out passes like it's accurate. It's sharp. The ball gets there. There's no reason to think he's going to struggle unless he gets confused and like I said earlier he can I mean that one concept that had 3 different plays inside of it for different coverages. He navigated it. Fine. It's I'm sure there're going to be more checkdowns this way.

48:03.32
redwhitepodcast
Right.

48:15.52
redwhitepodcast
Goodness sorry.

48:22.86
redwhitepodcast
Hey check your mic.

48:37.51
redwhitepodcast
Hit your mic button.

48:37.96
ScotchWill
I don't know what happened there? Oh well, that's gonna be a thrilling 15 seconds of audio. Um, yeah I mean I think they're gonna move the ball I mean here's here's what was great like pannix.

48:39.13
redwhitepodcast
I'm sorry I sneeze and hit the wrong button I hit yours. It's not mine. Sorry about that.

48:42.35
ScotchWill
Was weird pinnix comes back and I don't think they threw the ball at him until the third quarter and and maybe even it was the fourth. Um, but you saw what he could do in the red zone like yeah, that was a very similar play to what we did against Clemson with Zebra and it just looked more dynamic. Um, so that's the other thing is he's got more weapons to work with and Jesus Christ I hope they play Timmons a lot more in this game like do we have to keep doing this listening experiment.

49:10.72
redwhitepodcast
Did they play Timmons because that's who MJStarlin to in brightness I think so too.

49:16.50
ScotchWill
That's my theory I mean well here's the thing right? They they had been I think like 2 or 3 games ago. There was scuttlebutt that he was doing a good job and they were gonna start working him in and you did see him in at times. Um, but I think there clearly was a comfort and connection and he. Obviously out of all the wide receivers except for maybe him and they are kind of someone. He just looks like he can can contort his body to where the ball is coming like he he just looks like a better natural athlete than like ah like a Devin Carter is more physical I feel like um and doesn't really change his body to catch a ball. While timmans looked like you know like a cat in midair just kind of flipping around and catching it. Um, and so yeah I mean you just got a featured guy like that like I'm not worried about him from a blocking perspective. You know like any in the thing is like I think he's a little bit. He's.

50:04.97
redwhitepodcast
Now.

50:09.56
ScotchWill
Someone maybe it was an ips pod but he's like Anthony's he's a little bit like Anthony Smith but can catch a little bit more reliably and he's and it kind of just gives me hope that assuming Anthony Smith comes back healthy next year having them to on the field at the same time is exciting to me. You know that's. That's something look forward to but I don't know well that's the thing I don't understand like I don't I don't get why Julian Gray is on the outside I but here's the thing just put Julian Gray in and run sweeps like the dude what 3 times this year they've run a jet sweep with them.

50:27.74
redwhitepodcast
I still want more Julian Gray and Michael Allen like or we're talking young guys. So yeah.

50:46.59
ScotchWill
And he looks dead to right? So then he gets eight yards you know what? I mean like he's good. Um, they did some speed option stuff with with Mj two that I was like man I don't know if you could come up with a way to integrate Julian Gray into that I like what I see there. Um Michael Allens just so weird to me.

50:47.37
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

50:53.30
redwhitepodcast
A.

51:05.50
ScotchWill
I don't understand why I just don't get why Demarcus Jones is playing like.

51:07.40
redwhitepodcast
Like they even referenced Michael Allen in the in the press conference talking about his his burst and his next level speed or ever. However, they said I'm like the hell is that guy not in the game at at all like at all put him in the game.

51:22.55
ScotchWill
My guess is block my guess is it's blocking I mean you will when Mj gets blown up. Ah.

51:24.81
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, gives a rat's ass like get the kid the ball just give the ball get him in the game at some point I think Mba stood out to mean a lot of lot of areas that provided excitement. Thought he had he threw some throws with touch. He didn't just rip them in there like the thomasre passes he was willing to stay in the pocket stepped up in the pocket and wait till the last second to throw the depo now he missed a couple reads on the the one he threw into triple covers to ther.

52:00.36
ScotchWill
Yeah, now it was pinnix. Yes, yeah, so pinnix was running this route they they were in one high I think 1 higher cover 0 and then they rolled everything over and there was 2 places he could have gone.

52:00.54
redwhitepodcast
I believe it was or Las saying he had Dexter Carter wide open and it was panic. Not now on the top there. Okay.

52:19.30
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, who's wide open. Yeah yeah.

52:19.99
ScotchWill
Up to the corner for a touchdown or you could have thrown to Jordan Houston who had maybe twenty yards no one was near him and he could have probably scored a touchdown so that's what I was saying like they're gonna work that cause you wake's gonna see that wake's gonna try to confuse them back there just fine if you're gonna waste all your time in the back with gimmicks. The underneath stuff. It'll be there.

52:38.54
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I agree but he his willingness to to make those throws his willingness to step up in the pocket. Take take some time and let it go downfield to me was really exciting. He'll you know he'll he'll get better on getting those checks. He'll get coached up.

52:54.86
ScotchWill
Those N I L checks because better better pay this dude.

52:57.19
redwhitepodcast
But hey, ah yeah, so and Recenta we got some questions here I want to get through.

53:06.49
ScotchWill
Are we gonna talk about the devon leary conference I didn't I just saw that it happened So I mean I don't know was there anything in there I'm guessing it was noncommittal.

53:11.29
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

53:20.47
redwhitepodcast
No, there's nothing in there. He said 4 to 6 months right? and that's all I don't know I I don't know and he said he was unsure about its future blah blah blah I was going to put this in. Ah.

53:22.45
ScotchWill
Why was he doing that.

53:34.71
redwhitepodcast
20 minute take but I never put it out there because clear called this press conference. But there's still way he's around next year like zero zero chance I mean if you're asking me is does definitely return like this is no inside information this is speculation I've seen guys in the same position. Before they just go pro right? They just they're going to go to camp assuming he rehabs four months put some right about you know early next year if he gets his arm strength back. He'll go to one of these pro-days and he'll wow some people on his deep throws like he did last year and somebody would take a flyer on him. They're going to tell him hey you know you're our guy you know, fourth round or whatever and he'll go and he should I have no no bones about that like I don't think he's transferring.

54:18.44
ScotchWill
Yeah.

54:24.10
redwhitepodcast
And don't think that makes a whole lot of sense unless he doesn't rehab in time and he feels like he can get some run somewhere else. Maybe like I I don't know. But yeah, it's a muscle thing. Yeah yeah.

54:26.57
ScotchWill
But even then it.

54:33.31
ScotchWill
But it's a peck not a shoulder right? Any he threw for pro day last year and all the scouts saw what they wanted to see like I said it again last time those scouts can go back and say wow hell of a great stat sheet and all you had was a mecca m asy and th thomas and Devin Carter well we got.

54:43.26
redwhitepodcast
Right.

54:51.50
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah, yeah.

54:52.46
ScotchWill
Everyone is better at this level right? You know I hate to say it. But that's the truth and you know I mean I think he's going pro I Just just go draft Why why play another you are going to get drafted get and unless he gets horrific feedback you know, but he gets it there and be like you know what.

54:59.18
redwhitepodcast
I Think so do yeah.

55:06.18
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

55:10.71
ScotchWill
Surrounded me by Bums they called Terrible game plans I did not like they just were not featuring me the way they told that you know, go back and look at spring game right? Go hear all the chatter from Fall camp. You know he's.

55:17.20
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, and those guys are watching practice too. The scouts are watching practice like I have some friends that are scouts they they know what he can do whom what he's doing practice and who he's throwing to and all those things like it's.

55:33.91
ScotchWill
Where would he even transfer that makes sense now.

55:38.17
redwhitepodcast
Wisconsin can you um, can you imagine like grandham merch is gone. They got it. They have a new coach. Can you imagine if he goes to Wisconsin and we just have this all again.

55:46.98
ScotchWill
Instead of scheduling Tennessee they should have scheduled Wisconsin but they're cowards they'd rather have an l than go have you know of Rivalry Grudge match you know a Dave Doran testing ground and I don't know the 1 thing that even makes sense to me is like Penn state.

55:53.70
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

55:57.17
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, right? Yeah right.

56:06.69
ScotchWill
I right? he's and.

56:07.49
redwhitepodcast
It could be all right. Sean Cliff would be gone. There's there's a lot of there's a lot of options I think if he were to explore that option. Ah miss. Yeah I say Missouri like you know.

56:13.10
ScotchWill
I Don't think he'd go to an S E C team I'll tell you that right now. Why would you? Why would you go to a harder defensive conference. Go to a to man, you'll get hit too much.

56:24.85
redwhitepodcast
Drink connection. You got to you better off going to Arizona or one of those west coast schools trying to think who else is yeah Arizona state. Yeah, ah, um, yeah now Caleb booms still be there or is he gone.

56:31.20
ScotchWill
Well if he wants the party for sure.

56:37.98
ScotchWill
Ah, usc man now that won't work either probably go to I'll probably go to you and see after Drake may just sits out for the next year

56:44.69
redwhitepodcast
I don't know ah wow'll be great, but yeah, like Larry's not coming back like I just even the few minutes I saw his press count stays like I'm uncertain about my future like you're not You're not as long as your rehab goes semi close to schedule and there's no major setbacks. He's gone like it's it's done as he should be like I'm not blaming him all I think he absolutely should if yeah.

57:12.46
ScotchWill
It just seems so weird that it but he scheduled this. That's so weird. You know it's not. It's not seeing your day this week

57:24.14
redwhitepodcast
It is very strange. The whole thing was strange. B C Hey, he's walking.

57:31.36
ScotchWill
But bc is right I bet that's why I bet you didn't want to be a distraction next week figured he get slided in maybe this week um and then they can say oh well now he he was. You know he said last week he's unsure and that's why he's doing it I don't know if if you mention it in his press.

57:36.72
redwhitepodcast
Thanks for.

57:47.23
redwhitepodcast
Or mj is going to throw for 5 tutdties this week and people are likeleary who and he doesnt want to be forgotten.

57:49.14
ScotchWill
Presser but.

57:53.64
ScotchWill
Did I mean it's just as likely he throws like 1 and 4 of this week you know like I mean this is so eer eerily similar to me to that leary bc game where he came in and the difference was that the defense could actually hold up this time right? and then he came out the next week it was.

58:01.73
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

58:06.86
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

58:11.78
ScotchWill
Wake Forest first first start and on the but that was on the road and it was like pick pick pick.

58:18.21
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, wake's gonna do different things right? They're not stupid um to be awake. One of the questions we're gonna lose this weight game. We're gonna lose this weight game annually didn't mean lose it just gonna mean we're not playing this game because of David they're getting rid divisions. Are we sad to see it go and I'm gonna say no hi.

58:19.71
ScotchWill
Yeah.

58:36.40
ScotchWill
Nope.

58:36.50
redwhitepodcast
Wake Forest I'd love for them to get relegated to somewhere else.

58:38.21
ScotchWill
I will miss it from the crap talk that my brother gives me which is which is wonderful. But no I we're gonna get them every 2 years. That's fine enough for me man.

58:50.63
redwhitepodcast
Even if Davelos is not there I don't care who the next guy is going to be. They're still going to be annoying like the fans are annoying. The coaches are annoying everything about the damn program is annoying. Yeah.

58:59.86
ScotchWill
Yeah I couldn't ah why would they ever stop what they're doing right? They'll just promote Rogerio or whatever his name is or you know Dick Klasen's gonna be there forever right? Like perfect job security. It's funny I was reading some wake. Um. Ah, sb nation pages today and are talking about the the louis evil game and they were like oh we got to move on from heartman we got to move on from this slow mesh I'm like ah brothers like the only reason you were even sniffing the top 10 is because of that slow mesh and that thing is gone the next guy that comes in there is going to do the same thing. It's just like with longos. It's like once you got a thing that works.

59:23.57
redwhitepodcast
Here.

59:36.34
ScotchWill
It works and it'll probably be better for them. Actually once they're out of the division right? because then they're going to have the advantage of everyone doesn't play me every single year. You know they're it's 6 opponent. You know you'll have 2 opponents they're gonna see you all the time not 6 and I think that's.

59:44.56
redwhitepodcast
Right.

59:53.24
ScotchWill
I think that's going to go a long ways or 7 I don't even know how many we got in the stupid league anymore.

59:57.60
redwhitepodcast
Who's got the higher upside Devin Leary or Mj Morris

01:00:03.10
ScotchWill
I mean I'm can say devon leeary I mean he's a known commodity right now for me. Um, if if third slash fourth quarter mj is consistent then sure he's got the upside at that point I'm a sucker for anyone that throws a catchable deep ball.

01:00:18.11
redwhitepodcast
Yeah m mj Morrison Jamie Chadwell's offense is gonna be awesome. Don't talk sexy to me. Don't do it.

01:00:20.37
ScotchWill
Like yeah I mean he's.

01:00:26.13
ScotchWill
Don't talk dude when Dave Doran leaves at the end of the season and blames the fans that left the game and we get Jamie Chadwell I'm gonna be through the roof.

01:00:40.15
redwhitepodcast
It's funny somebody texted me after I guess it was after the Dave's presser maybe it was after the game at some point it's in like Dave's Dave's team is up to leave itney and I was like ah maybe.

01:00:57.78
redwhitepodcast
Ah, he better finish strong if that's what I say you better finish strong if you want to get out of here.

01:01:00.40
ScotchWill
Yeah I mean you if you lose the I mean like I can't imagine we lose Bc but we almost lost the virginia tech right? But it. You know if you finish the season losing to wake youl and you and c rate i. After shit talking the fans. The fans are gonna have receipts.

01:01:21.90
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny. Somebody's talking about the 6 and 2 comment. Oh we're 6 and 2 like well you could have lost the Florida state you couldve lost to ECHu you couldve lost to Virginia tech like this could be not 6 and 2 real quick.

01:01:38.80
ScotchWill
As far as I'm concerned, you're I'd still think attributing the Flo State game note Jack is a little that's questionable, but as far as I was you're 2 on 1 right now and you were almost one and 2 and you know everything that happened leeary and earlier season. Just.

01:01:38.63
redwhitepodcast
It's a very fine line.

01:01:50.90
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:56.27
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:01:56.47
ScotchWill
It doesn't matter anymore because you're getting a preview of what next year what What? you're building to I mean next year's a reset year and I don't know how many players you can really transfer in it like I don't know what here. Let's keep going to questions I'm gonna.

01:02:01.18
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:02:09.82
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, would you would you prefer. We took the Russell Wilson patch off of Mj's Jersey until he stops doing high knees on the plane like ah did you I'm sure you heard that story Russell Wilson was rehabbing on the team plane and everybody else is sleeping and he's doing high knees.

01:02:20.37
ScotchWill
Cut but russ.

01:02:26.71
redwhitepodcast
Down the aisle see like what a tool bag. Yeah.

01:02:29.54
ScotchWill
Did did he did he play because that was a they were in the U K So I I missed that would have been the early game right? Um, yeah I was I was like man I gotta go back and actually see what ah what happened in that game because after that came out there was a great video of like.

01:02:34.70
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:47.24
ScotchWill
America how what was it. It was like America's um aerobics champions or something like that. It was like something from the 80 s and they were like this is what they looked like okay they at least beat the jaguars thank god um, eighteen of 32 52 1 touchdown 1 interception and what. What is happening this guy um now leave the patch on man like I I'm glad they do that? Um I still wish wish Russell Wilson would come back I'd be more involved I wish we could truly bury the hatchet I just.

01:03:07.73
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:03:21.31
redwhitepodcast
He's too busy donating to Wisconsin what would you feel a state one 10 and two went to the orange bowl and retain the entire staff for next year

01:03:27.71
ScotchWill
Whatever man that means Tim Beck started throwing the ball down the field and learned like if we win 10 games I'm I'm repeat the same formula at that point right? like I mean I if I get to keep Tony Gibson and all the defensive staff. Hell yeah, get give me some more we can make it work.

01:03:45.32
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

01:03:47.33
ScotchWill
Um, I mean the only way we win the next you l a Louisville u and c and wake are clearly gonna be shoot off games right? So if you went 10 and 2 in this stretch and did that yeah man you can't you can't be mad at that point.

01:03:59.20
redwhitepodcast
Other um.

01:04:02.88
redwhitepodcast
This is not a question was a comment and I savedx I thought was good. It's doubly frustrating given that the offense was an issue at points last year and the coaching staff did not did very little to try mitigate the issue heading into a season with a team that you as a coaching staff build as special like. Sums it up pretty well though I was well said like that is you know, talk about frustrations right? The the core of this frustration is is exactly that like you you feel you rolling out same thing and people are frustrated. So yeah, could get it.

01:04:33.16
ScotchWill
They yeah, they probably weren't gonna be ready as far as the staff's concerned. But after the ecu game I would have knowing what you know now just give me Ant Smith julian gray timmins and just make them a significant part of the offense with Carter in there.

01:04:48.39
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, there's another one another ones not a question. Ah you got time I think the problem everyone sees the ceiling that Dave Dorn and Tim Beck's preferred style play eight nine wins being a fringe top 25 team and no real threat to win a conference chairmanship.

01:04:51.89
ScotchWill
Yeah, keep it rolling I got soccer man.

01:05:05.32
redwhitepodcast
Because it lets its inferior teams hang around when they should put out put them out of their misery like yeah I agree with that um look.

01:05:11.33
ScotchWill
It doesn't have to be the way That's the problem.

01:05:20.31
redwhitepodcast
This is another good question probably for a longer Time. So I'm not going to ask it. But it's ah something we've talked about quite often with skip over for now. How can. The red White Channel Influence decision Makers for what we desire to football to be outcome I have no idea ah the best way I know is for everybody to talk about it right? If enough people are willing to express their displeasure right? vote with their wallets vote with their butts in the seats. That's how that's how it comes right? Ah what coaches or coach what coaches or coach impresses you the most right now when you watch their team and evaluate the program. That's a good question.

01:06:00.27
ScotchWill
Um, wise I So well I find what sunny dikes.

01:06:02.65
redwhitepodcast
Sunny dikes out. Yeah, lets say sunny dke's out kicking his coverage right there at Tcu right now winning 4 top 25 games to the top 2 of the top current top 18 that's an easy 1 Lincoln Riley whether it's doing it usc in a short period of time. That's an easy one. They're really good. We've talked about my love for Utah in that program even though they've had kind of an up and down here. What other right.

01:06:31.54
ScotchWill
That's just NC state west

01:06:35.43
redwhitepodcast
And I don't know I mean there's there's a lot of teams like Calen deauer Washington I think he's just getting started there and he's doing good things and they're going to be. They're they're competitive right now I mean I think there's a lot of teams. Think like schematically who do I really like I just come back to like chadwell or a shit you freeze up at liberty that guy he's got he's 7 one with a 1 point lost to wake forest. He's he's doing good things to lane.

01:07:10.70
ScotchWill
You mean Auburn's Hue freeze.

01:07:12.24
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah, hover two feet really fritz at tulane and the guy that I liked who is fritz his officeen coordinator who went to Smu will hallul who is now has Smu 5 and 3 this year in I think it's his second year and that's pretty good. That's pretty good for Smu because they've been really bad for the last few years and ah I liked his concepts and what he's done I mean you got to like Klein at k state right? they're they're playing strong. Somehow they're a home dog to Texas a week that that is been interesting but you know they just beat the pants off of number 8 osu 48 nothing or something like that. So. There's there's quite a few out there. You know I just these guys have a history of doing it if you look at the coaches you know Harson just got fired at Auburn. And my comment on that is everybody is successful at Boise state if you go back and look at their program. They have 1 season in the last forty years less than 7 wins they have 9 1011 wins every year and it's wild goes all the way back to dirt cutter. Everybody's successful. There. So if you're hiring somebody from their program. It's a crapshoot because that program is self-sustaining. But if you look at a guy like we've talked about liveold or Klein or chadwell or these other guys they have done it at places that have historically not.

01:08:43.49
redwhitepodcast
Been you know football juggernauts or powerhouses. That's how I look at how I value we've talked about this with basketball too. That's how ivaluate coaches are you winning where are you winning and how are you doing it right? You're not doing it with just superior talent like we figured out. What's what Kevin keys does. Or did at Wilmington he won with superior talent in a bad league and can't get that talent and not wouldn't so.

01:09:03.11
ScotchWill
Did did you realize that coastal is playing uva on the nineteenth. Yeah.

01:09:08.20
redwhitepodcast
In football. No a new Coastal Plane App state this weekend I didn't Ro airplane uva That's a weird late season game.

01:09:16.76
ScotchWill
Yeah November Nineteenth and I know that's what I was just thinking very odd game till I put that right before you write your rival rivalry week game. Um man speech speech therapist getting me there i'm.

01:09:30.45
redwhitepodcast
What do you think? what do you think is next evolution of the game have you considered how offense or style could change the next few years that's interesting question. Everything old is new again. Some point we're gonna come back to the eye formation running fullbacks.

01:09:40.91
ScotchWill
I Think you're.

01:09:47.35
redwhitepodcast
There's always gonna be someone's gonna be outlier.

01:09:47.65
ScotchWill
Prop. Ah yeah, but the thing is like that's like you know how to kill that so you know I mean.

01:09:53.10
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, go look at what's happening at Texas high school football right? There's there's a high school team down there. That's going to show you the next offense. Ah.

01:10:00.99
ScotchWill
Yeah I think um I mean I think you're going to see the like with Fritz and with coastal in Kansas like a lot more option concepts movement right? I mean just you're probably just not going to see very many static type.

01:10:12.38
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, agreed.

01:10:17.61
ScotchWill
Things that aren't going to be causing lots of decision points for the defense like it's just gonna be whatever defensive coordinators hate. That's what's gonna start coming and being more positive or more present.

01:10:26.69
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I mean if you we've we've said it a million times you be so you're successful by stressing stressing the defenses with discipline concepts because you're trying to make college kids who are not disciplined. Discipline. That's why the option is to work in the Nfl because those guys are pros or and they do their job and there's what they're supposed to do but in college you can exploit the safety who doesn't know his responsibilities or or you know where he supposed to be and that's what teams are that's what these successful teams are doing. They're stressing. Defenses with you know these formations and making your def defenses defensive players make decisions I think that's that's how you win these days all right last question and then you got to go what would you constitute a successful season for the basketball team this year

01:11:21.68
ScotchWill
Oh my god um, the and NcW a tournament I don't think I asked too much um, over five hundred over five hundred in the Acc getting past several games in Acc tournament.

01:11:27.41
redwhitepodcast
This is such an easy question.

01:11:36.90
ScotchWill
And getting to the NcW a tournament the NcW term is the and and the answer now that's asking too much.

01:11:36.89
redwhitepodcast
Not being on the bubble for the inst boy tournament being in no not pick on the bubble or Keats is fired. Those are my 2 answers. It's like either 1 successful to me because I I don't like the guy I don't think he's runs a good program. And if somehow he regresses to the mean and goes 500 in a league. That's not impressive to me. He's got to be in the tournament not on the bubble or find a new basketball coach.

01:12:06.83
ScotchWill
Yeah I mean you've got multiple centers this year so hopefully that lasts you know with.

01:12:12.81
redwhitepodcast
I will say I can't wait for all the superfans to pack the Pnc Arena for all these early season basketball games I know there's gonna be 19000 super fanns packed into the Pnc ready to roll supporting this team. Trusting the coaching staff just going all for this is the year

01:12:35.94
ScotchWill
Can I just say this you don't get penalized for losses in basketball anymore. Why not schedule better teams and have sellouts and have fun get who cares if you lose like I Just don't understand the scheduling philosophy in basketball.

01:12:49.46
redwhitepodcast
That's good question.

01:12:54.84
ScotchWill
I Just don't get it.

01:12:55.42
redwhitepodcast
November Seventh Austin p November Eleventh campbell f I you elon William and Mary Woo let's go fired up many Bates in the atlantis tournament I guess is a chance.

01:13:02.21
ScotchWill
I can and we have it and we have a chance to play Manny Bates oh man I hope we beat that kid's ass.

01:13:14.25
redwhitepodcast
I hope we play that game I really do hope we play that game. Yeah, they real. That's a real missed opportunity there Keats why would have backed out that tournament.

01:13:14.66
ScotchWill
I can't believe they didn't just put that as the first game.

01:13:21.65
ScotchWill
Yeah, he probably it probably was a clause or something like that. But man I just I hope they just go hard in the paint at his ass the whole time just flick him in the shoulder I had that shoulder injury Man. Just. You're gonna lose confidence fast if people keep but hitting your shoulder man.

01:13:40.80
redwhitepodcast
Hi Whiskey Wheel go to your soccer game I appreciate your time as always thanks for listening you Allll support to support the pods sport ah sponsors support the pack by not leaving in the third quarter I Be a good fan. Don't be a bad fan.

01:13:41.79
ScotchWill
Thank you? yeah.

01:13:54.48
ScotchWill
Thanks for not leaving during our 15 seconds of silence.

01:13:57.57
redwhitepodcast
Don't be bad for yeah, don't me sneezing and muting will this like a real bad spas when therere anyway as always appreciate Y'all do whatever the hell you want with your time and if you're actually listening to us then thanks as always.

01:14:14.26
ScotchWill
Yep, go pack.

01:14:16.50
redwhitepodcast
Gopec.

01:14:38.78
ScotchWill
You.