Ep 296 - It Is Time.

Will and I talk one-armed TEs, a top down leadership strategy, offensive offense, are we really a broke ass program or just rudderless?

My post-BC Thread https://twitter.com/RedWhitePodcast/status/1591819002460143619?s=20&t=0bxnVduY4T63UdHzDTLdsQ

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00:18.34
redwhitepodcast
All right folks we are back with another dish of the red and white podcast I'm your host Evan here with will and all those things we talked about last week all the streaks all the good vibes. They're gone 16 game hole winning streaks. Napped somehow we are still ranked in the a p top 25 college football playoff poll comes out tonight. So we don't know if that streaks alive but I don't know if they'll do that unless they're trying to prop up carolina clumpson or something not sure but state lost to Bc in. The worst loss in Dave Dorn's error worst loss that I can remember since 2018 wake for that uva game I don't remember what year that was Tom O'brien's last year that's when I knew it was over hit a very similar vibe.

01:09.25
SoberWill
Um, yeah.

01:15.10
redwhitepodcast
A lot has been said about this game right? A lot of lot has been said already I feel like we've talked about ad nauseum in the chat and I know a lot of other pods have talked about it I put out a big thread about it I'm still disappointed umm still disappointed I was driving down the road just a few minutes ago and um I just really hadn't listened to any college football podcast week I don't want to hear what they had to say and it's usually my my ritual walk the dog drive down the road. Whatever listen into. The national landscape and I don't I don't know I don't want to hear that to say right? and I just I keep coming back to how disappointed I am in not just the loss but the performance. In every way you look at it right? everybody said well you know Bc loss to Yukon and all these other things. Yeah, it was a horrendous loss and there is no sugar coating you I don't care how many times someone's going to talk about injuries. Or I mean start with injuries Bcs playing their backup quarterback. They're down down nine offensive linemen. We want to talk about injuries or penalties. Yes, the Drake penalty is questionable. You shouldn't be in that position.

02:47.74
redwhitepodcast
In the first place you shouldn't be an 18 point favorite should not be worrying about having to not get a pi called on you in the last few seconds of a game. You just shouldn't be there that team's terrible I don't care. How you shake it. They just lost a Yukon right? They've only only teams that have scored more than 20 points on them were Maine and Massachusetts I think goes out of school and now us it's ridiculous It's so frustrating. So frustrating as a safe fan that we are in we are having this conversation and I expect it and some people are gonna put it on mj he didn't play. Well sure we talked about this that. He's a freshman He's gonna have one of those games. It's going to it was going to happen. But when you're rolling out 30 something seniors right? How many people walked for senior day will's camera just panned down to his stomach 30 people walked on senior day. And then you're telling me. It's all because of 1 guy played bad.

04:04.44
SoberWill
Yeah I'm letting you solo podcast for a moment and I'm updating some things why you're doing this. You're on a good rant. So I didn't want to I didn't want to break your rhythm.

04:11.33
redwhitepodcast
You're good. Well I just I'm I'm letting it out I'm letting it out now. You're fine, bring me back. Bring me back to earth a little bit here the auto camera pan there I just it's so frustrating man it's it's the excuses. The. But ever else I like I what are we doing I'm not 1 sit out here and and call for a head coach to be fired. It's it's not my deal I wouldn't hate if we got a new coach I think. Dave is earned the right to go on his own retire go somewhere else. Do whatever like or just completely change your approach to offense and your whole philosophy which is not out out of. Out of bounds for Dave Door he did this few years back when they hired Tony Gibson you know we were running the Dave Huxtable Ben but don't break defense you went and hire Tony Gibson so you changed your defensive philosophy to stop the explosive off spread offenses. But you don't think it's a good idea to run a spread offense and score points. It's huge disconnect for me like you. He's smart enough to know that you got us keep scoring points. He's got to be smart enough to I just.

05:39.35
redwhitepodcast
There's no other explanation to how you're we are consistently playing this level football. It's a philosophical issue from the top doesn't matter what the offensive coordinator is Dave Drink Canada the cooc sees Beck the. The constant is day and dorn and it is extremely frustrating, extremely frustrating to see you're willing to make a change over here Tony Gibson we love his style big 12 aggressive style. Trying to get turnovers. We're doing great leading the league and turnovers interceptions doing a lot of things really well and then your complimentary football is this bullshit. You're showing me on the other side maddening and then you see the regression from.

06:24.63
SoberWill
Yeah I mean.

06:32.22
redwhitepodcast
Two weeks to this right? or from last week the weight game in the second half of the virginia tech game and we came out bam down the field 2 drives that look just fantastic, right doing all things doing all the things right? high energy throwing it down the field. Guys in space young guys making plays 2 touchdowns right out of gate 14 nothing then your butthole puckers up and we get this garbage and I don't even think the plague calling was I went back and watched it and it was really hard to watch that game again. And I don't even think the play calling was as horrendous as it was early in the year my bigger beef with it is that you clearly have a freshman quarterback who is starting to struggle and you're not doing things to help him out I don't think they call the game to help him out call the game to. Let him get easy throat. Let him get easy wins get his confidence back. Whatever it may be instead they random like crazy a lot of reads which he wasn't doing great at I think when you're in that situation and you know I've seen it before I've seen other coaches talk about it. Gotta do things to get your guy make him successful and that's where my biggest issue is 1 Dave's overall philosophy with offense to not helping out your young quarterback.

08:04.84
redwhitepodcast
You got enough talent out there get the ball to they right? get to get the ball to your experienced players. Let them do things don't put it on your freshman quarterback who's having a off day. It happens we expect it. We've talked about it. You still should've been good enough to beat this awful Bc team. Inexplicable loss inexplicable loss all right, please.

08:30.67
SoberWill
May I interject. Ah yeah I think this game just highlights the problem that we've seen for quite a few years it's the lack of explosive playmaking to kind of bail you out when things aren't going your way.

08:47.67
SoberWill
Explosive runs outside of Julian Gray that I recall who like once again I don't understand why does he only touch the ball 1 time you know on sorry on offense. Ah.

08:54.33
redwhitepodcast
That's yes, that's another thing right? I mean you're right hundred percent right and I have it on my notes Jillian Gray runs for twenty five yards never touches the ball again.

09:05.45
SoberWill
I Don't get it. You run a bunch of other plays multiple times.

09:08.00
redwhitepodcast
And would the one even more egregious. Yes, the 1 more egregious to me is 1 arm trent pennix out there trying to play.

09:16.36
SoberWill
Oh my god yeah, we'll we'll get to that. Let's we'll get to that in a minute like fundamentally the problem for years has been lack of explosive plays. It's really funny I don't get it on defense you hire a coordinator who's got a unique aggressive scheme. You have. Lots of playmakers on defense. It's like you have no problem whatsoever getting good to great players through recruiting and through transfers on defense and yet on offense. It's the same thing year in year out, you get seem to always be able to get a good quarterback. You get. Good running backs. You have either 1 good possession receiver at wide receiver or you have like nothing I don't get it like I don't understand why they are convinced the only way to win games is to sluck it out. I think their approach over the years has been unappealing to skill players I think this is just what happens when you have 10 years of relatively the same philosophies you get good running backs. You get decent offensive linemen and then you're just a crapshoot at wide receiver. And like I just don't see how that gets any better if you don't modernize your scheme in either go you know it's like is it are we really asking that much to to come up with a passing attack that's easier and more fun to play in I I don't know it's it's.

10:47.62
SoberWill
So happens when you run like a boring ass. Ah offense right? like it's nice when you get up early and you scheme open a couple things Bc just didn't look ready to play right? away you come out fired up and then you know like this game is so different if you just score that fourth and 1 I got no problem calling for the play there like I'm not a kick a field goal guy in that situation I don't understand why tren pinnix who you can clearly tell is playing with only one arm by that point in the game is in there trying to block the edge doesn't do anything you know. Like that. That's something that I feel like I don't know did anyone even ask him like why the hell is someone playing in the game that clearly can't move their left arm and it's not that hard to see.

11:33.00
redwhitepodcast
No, and that's a whole different story about yeah, it's a whole different story about the lack of interest from our from our media I'm I'm not even sure what the right phrase is but everybody everybody on Twitter was like why did anybody ask him about that. Right? Dave just had a presser which we're going to talk about. Why didn't anybody ask him about that I don't know man. It's just it's systematic incompetence all the way from the top firmly believe that all the way from the top. And until we change something we are we are right I mean that's kind of where I come back to and I hate to say it. But it's just that's it. We have nobody who's demanding excellence right? We've talked about this before.

12:22.44
SoberWill
Yeah, yeah.

12:26.83
redwhitepodcast
Go we all go go all in on football all in give paint paint me a picture paint me a vision right instead I'm here sitting here debating am I going to continue on my wolf pack club am I going to buy my season tickets fix here which are renewals coming up and. Two weeks which I think is a horrendous move given what we're going through right now paint me a picture I told her well what 1 fing person at this university to tell me that we're not trying to be efficient or cheap or whatever you want to say it. And we're willing to commit to it I'm not the only one I'm seeing my Twitter mentions and a ton of fans are just saying the same thing like what are we doing I was on the Ips Zoom post game with with James and even his guys are talking about the guy just like what's the vision. Who why Why should I keep doing this. Why should I keep committing. Why should I keep donating im I'm go read ah a ips poster I posted a comment in regards to bad fans. Essentially what a stupid take especially from somebody.

13:39.85
redwhitepodcast
With access compared to most of us I've been a state fan my entire life grew up in family of alum. My family's been a season ticket holder my entire life I only applied to state graduated and have been a wolf packck club member season ticket holder since in my 33 years I've seen state win 0 titles in revenue sports. Yeah, we have a transfer rules and and nil com bond combined so we have more hands begging for money I've already lost interest in basketball and football starting to lose me as well. Why should I waste my disposable income on product that we are continuing to see I'm tired of standing in mystery water paying $100 for shitty concessions for the family being confined in seats that are tighter than an airplane and being disappointed year after year with the results on the field I think a lot of people are coming to their breaking point and it's up to the university to present a product that is worth the time in financial sacrifices that people are making I feeling that once people stop paying. And fill their Saturdays with other hobbies. It will be hard to get them back. There eventually has to be positive roi or people will cut their losses exactly this is exactly what we've been saying for I don't know how long you need at some point the fans are going to stop. Being okay with just trust us, right? Just trust us. That's what we've heard for so long like yeah, be a real fan commit. Be a real fan donate. Don't be a quitter like come on now that is some weak bullshit from so people who are.

15:05.91
SoberWill
Don't be a quitter.

15:15.76
redwhitepodcast
Afraid to challenge afraid afraid to challenge the status quo right? I'd could come back to debbbie out statement push push him push back I want give me something give me a vision. Why should I care. Who's demanding excellence I don't think anybody is and it starts at the top because all but freaking chancellor. We have a $2000000000 endowment this university knows how to raise money yet, you're going to be begging everybody. For dollars here and there from your fans like just come on. it's it's tiring it's exhausting and we've got nothing to show for it. People are much more willing to contribute to engage to buy in. If you paint them a picture paint them a vision. It's exhausting man. It's tiring and I don't know where to go with it.

16:22.40
SoberWill
Well, yeah I mean we've been kind of harping the same thing over and over again, you know why did the donors have to be the ones to go like build a new scoreboard like I'm I'm so exhausted by this whole model. Which is it's your fault for not caring enough. It's your fault for not giving enough money. It's your fault for not staying in the stands and it's never the university's fault for not pushing for a better product I don't I just don't get it. It's It's a bizarre take to call everyone quitters because you're probably about to lose multiple players for this rest of the season now to to injuries from this last game and to sit there and say well. Given the information at hand it looks like we're probably going to lose the next 2 games. Well you're just being a quitter. You're not supporting the team. You should. You should always assume that you're gonna win this mac is is killing me man and I keep muting it and it keeps just beeping away. Um.

17:34.80
SoberWill
Much like these people. Ah.

17:37.10
redwhitepodcast
it's you know it's I don't know honor I don't know in in the day job somewhere or a man wish I had saved. It might give me a really good analogy I think it was in the podchat about your your day job. Would you just. Boss comes in's like yeah, you're doing an okay job. You made us you know the bare minimum. Let's keep going with that who says that like who's okay with these things. Why is it? Okay here. Why are we not willing to take a risk. To do something better and I say it's a risk I get it. The program is in better shape than when it was when Dave got here. But why aren't we pushing keep Dave keep Dave I think he does a good job with a lot of things. But bust his ass to change his offensive philosophy. The good coaches are doing it. The great coaches are doing it. Why are we still toiling with this nonsense and um, you know it's funny. People are always come back to well Clemson right? You got to fight Clemson or. Coastal division. Well we just lost a b c so don't give me crap about the coastal division. But here's where nc state would have finished if there were no divisions over Dave's 10 years tied for fourteenth tied for ninth four -way tide for ninth tied for ninth again tied for ninth again. Third tied for fourth fourteenth.

19:10.17
redwhitepodcast
Tidd for fourth third so all those we finished second behind Clemson or we can't beat Clemson. You can't even beat second your own division. You've done it twice once but Clemson wants to wake forest. What are we doing? why? Why is this? Okay, why are people. So satisfied with just being competent I want somebody building my deck I don't want it just okay I don't want ah a job done I want a good job done. Something that I'm going to go sit on and be proud of you happy with like I get the history of state athletics state football being subpar all right. We have outlined the history of poor leadership over the years are we still thinking we're in that position now right? Do people really think the leadership is that incompetent that we're Lee Fowler level incompetent that you know the only thing that's going to happen is making a bad hire.

20:22.81
SoberWill
I Think I think we are I think we are experiencing a department that has been functioning during Covid operations and thinks this is the way to keep maintaining things right? they are you know. Instead of when someone gets fired or when someone leaves their job. They don't Backfill. You know they're just cutting costs. You know you can probably go back and look at the balance sheets which I know someone on this podcast has been doing and you know things like when you keep trying to save money. That's great.

20:52.30
redwhitepodcast
Yes.

21:00.13
SoberWill
I assume you're going to take that money. You're saving and apply it to something foundationally that you're going to make large scale improvements to facilities because of that money or you are waiting because you think you're going to fire a bunch of coaches and you're trying to have buyout money handy. Like I get it I get it if that's what's going on. Maybe that's what the strategy is but no one knows because this department is so closed lip when it comes to giving you a vision. They'll give you a powerpoint or Pdf and say that's the vision but there's nothing unique about it. Yeah, we want to win Championships and we want to promote athletics and we want to do it the right way cool I don't care like everyone has that goal. There's nothing unique. There. You know they're not actively looking to make connections with alumni that aren't in the wolf pack club or donating. You know there's just I don't know what they do I think they're just happy to sit back on their laurels and say well we're executing well enough and we're not having to spend as much money as everyone else so clear. You. That's great instead of thinking. Well maybe we could spend that extra money and get far bigger bang for our buck. Maybe they just think it's pointless. Maybe they think they're in the Atlantic and there's no point. And trying you know, maybe that will change going forward like I don't know I don't understand why it's 10 years in and we still have an offense that is possession based not explosive doesn't do anything special other than just grind it out and yep.

22:33.91
SoberWill
You've won a bunch of games that way. Okay, you've also lost a bunch of games that you shouldn't have lost at key times because this is the offense. You continue to try it out. You know.

22:47.53
redwhitepodcast
There was ah a poster one of the message boards in thread. Not sure who some of you think we can get. They'll be better than Dave Dord I'm proud of what our program has done giving the resource given the resources.

23:03.10
redwhitepodcast
So I got the better than Dave comment like again, it's a risk I get it is a little bit of risk there. Like what are you giving up giving up your third and fourth play finishes. You get out 8 wins a year for sure. Okay I get that right? I'm willing to take that risk I don't think and say is so poverty that we can't get another another coach I think there are probably a handful of coaches. In our near proximity that would give us a chance or that we would give us some you know pump some life into it and just don't understand that mentality. Well we can't get anybody better. How do you know, given the resources how much money. Are you giving. Right? Let's let's shame you as a as a fan which one are you giving? We just put up a $15000000 fffin scoreboard you're telling me we can't hire somebody Dave gets paid five million a year sorry well Dave gets paid five million a year like

24:06.16
SoberWill
So is that fully funded.

24:14.81
redwhitepodcast
Okay, that's not big 10 salary. It's pretty damn good. It's twice as much as Jamie Chadwell's make currently making more than that three and a half times like I ah don't get the mentality I don't get it.

24:32.80
redwhitepodcast
The other one is I know fans are gonna love this is this was my favorite comment I know the fans are gonna love 7 and 5 this year. But how about 7 and 5 with one of the top 10 biggest Jumborons in college football get fired up people I was a great comment like take that money put up a smaller scoreboard.

24:45.70
SoberWill
Yeah, yeah, so is.

24:50.81
redwhitepodcast
And buy some players like what buy some players if you think you? That's what we need to do now gore some folks we need to buy. We need to get more players all right, go buy them take that money. Give it to me. I'll sell you some websites for $10000000 and then I'll just donate all back to and io it's this shouldn't be that hard I'll put on a golf tournament I had a guy tell me he'll so give me the $10000000 I'll sell him some goats and then I'll give it all back. And get some players I'll give it to the packup pos like what are we doing here? Sorry I know you're saying some.

25:28.67
SoberWill
Yeah I mean that's thing are you gonna give it to the pack of wolves you know like we're trying to get some clarity now on.

25:36.79
redwhitepodcast
Well, that's a different com I'll give it to and and I L that will effectively articulate our need for players. That's what Ah, that's what I'll say pack of wolves or whoever it will be wolves of pack I don't know.

25:44.43
SoberWill
Yeah, yeah, is that new scoreboard fully funded or are they asking for donations.

25:56.18
redwhitepodcast
Ah, this is how it usually works same thing with the baseball it gets funded. It gets committed and then they ask for donations to backfill it. So it's done.

26:04.76
SoberWill
Okay.

26:11.20
redwhitepodcast
As far as I got far as I know but there is going to be a campaign where they're asking for money to fund the scoreboard I mean Okay, whatever. That's an interesting approach but I don't think that's too uncommon in. The athletic world.

26:29.40
SoberWill
Yeah I think the focus right now should be look I I have to imagine the department wants to keep Doran because they like him think they also would like to have an all time winning coach if they can. I would be shocked if Dave does not move on from Beck at this point and whether they announced that before signing day or after signing day is probably the question. Um I think he needs to do something different.

27:02.84
SoberWill
Think I'd love to just see something like an air raid or something like that that is going to make things easier, you're going to have so many replacement players next year coming into play on defense on offense like you've got to get something that's dumbed down and can work really quickly and hasn't. Opportunity to put points up and and it has to be something that's sexy enough that you can sell to transfer players and say we're bringing in and so and so he's done explosive offenses here here and here we're gearing around explosive plays. We think offense is gonna be the most important and thing this year. Yeah yeahda got you know we're trying to make it more exciting for our our quarterback that we think is the star of the future like is that ain't going to be leery I you know that's the other thing people need to deal with.

27:49.79
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

27:56.22
SoberWill
Um, and you know what? Honestly, you'll be able to raise money off of that since you know we're not going to fix. It's it's not going to change overnight where universities are going to start actually paying for what you know, not just reaping all the the rewards of this. Um you know I don't know down the road like the other conversation needs to be had is like What do you want as a department. Do you want to be a winning football and basketball program. Men's a women's maybe baseball. Do. We really need to be subsidizing all these other sports are we really getting anything out of it. That's the other question you know I'd be. Preed ruthless I'd be cutting stuff and I would say only 1 thing butters. The bread here. It's football then it's basketball and then it's women's basketball and baseball. Everything else is just like if you're not really competing for national championships I don't know what the purpose of having it is.

28:53.80
redwhitepodcast
Ah, be happy competing for division Championships right conference championships I'll start small. But yeah.

28:57.70
SoberWill
I Mean sure but look at like what look at what crosscountry does look at what swimming and diving does look at what wrestling does clearly those programs are selling I don't understand what the purpose of having everything else is. Like it's just if you you know, just fill the slots you need to for title 9 I'd cut the men sports like I'm sorry I Just don't know that many people when we were in school that gave a crap about anything outside of football and basketball and I know that there's certain folks that want to Promote. You know other sports for the University but I just I Just don't buy it. Um, and so I would be pretty ruthless I would cut stuff just no point if if you're going to be a part if you're going to run everything like a poverty program. You might as well cut all the other expenses.

29:44.64
redwhitepodcast
If you're telling is. Right? And that's where I am you know I I agree to an extent like if you're telling me that we we are broke as a university. We don't have any money then yeah, find a way to reallocate what you have to? what's the higher priority and those that's your money makers and. That's what they need to do but you can't tell me that we are the largest school in a state with a booming population with a 2 but $2000000000 endowment that we are broke and that we don't have any money to spend or that we don't have the resources I hate that I hate that argument from folks and then. It's constant. Well given our resources right? Henderson quotes it all the time that study that syracuse.com did given our resources or given how much we spend. We've gotten a good return so spend more exactly like do something else and so for clarity's sake that syracuse.com put out a.

30:39.70
SoberWill
So keep spending.

30:48.93
redwhitepodcast
Story last year that I'm sure everybody saw the graphic from I tweeted it out to and it had programs spending and had them ranked and we were last and Debbie oo reached out to me and and basically said that other schools account differently were probably not at the bottom. They add things to their spending that are not like football specific I have since then reached out to the athletic department and our university to put in information requests on what are we actually spending on our football and basketball programs. I've got some numbers but I want a little bit more clarity and see if they'll provide that for us I don't know but hopefully when they get back to me. It'll be something of substance but I just there's no. Way in the world that I think this university doesn't or can't have the resources I think you've had a lot of people who would donate would contribute would help but 1 that haven't been asked. And know that for a fact I mean we got guys in the podchat like yeah I would I would contribute I am an asked nobody said anything to me. Nobody sold it to me nobody said hi to me more than once. Just.

32:13.33
redwhitepodcast
There's they they're missing a lot and there's just nobody out there painting painting the bigger picture nobody out there saying hey we're gonna be good at this clumson. Did Clemson said we're going all in. We're gonna cut some sports. We're gonna put everything we can to football wedding football is gonna help everything else grow in it and. In that zoom pod with with in that Zoom on ips and James was like well we got Clemson in a way. Well Clemson did it with Florida state in the way Clemson decided to go I mean how dare they decide to go all in when you have big bad Florida state in front of you I mean. You can't overcome that mountain. can you oh yeah you can clumson's already shown that they're not immortal I don't know it's to me. It's frustrating. It's just It's systematic and until we get some sort of overarching vision that demands excellence then I think you're just gonna be losing donors like that that poster said like heat. Why should I keep contributing. Why should I spend my time and my my effort my money my disposable income on something that you know you guys are just okay with being mediocre or being up average or above average or however, you want to describe it. Whatever the term is I can sit on my couch and watch it.

33:37.12
SoberWill
Yeah donuts. Yeah, the the idea that people should just be blindly donating. You know I'm sure their counter be like Well why are these people saying that we haven't reached out to them. Why don't they just join why don't they reach out to us.

33:41.10
redwhitepodcast
Not cost me a damn damn dime.

33:54.91
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

33:55.87
SoberWill
Right? I'm sure that's gonna be the counter. Um like it's just not peoples prerogative man disposable income is going to go where people want to go spend it. You got to make them want to spend it with you and again like the selling point for certain people was not always gonna the same like I'm not interested in. Having season tickets and priority points like I want I get to come down like once or twice a year I want to have a great experience I want to have an opportunity to buy my way into something special and I'll pay for that. You know so build your build your access around that you know you got to give them something. Like I was choking around but like I can't believe they don't have like some kind of like wolfpack club scoops network you know and say like hey look you guys you know donate to this. We'll give you some inside information when we can you know like just you got to be more creative and you got to find these ways to get in touch with people. Like you gotta you gotta trackk people down quicker the university does a good job of somehow finding me every year and saying hey will why don't you donate more to the college of engineering or to the you know why don't you generate donate to the journal sports fund. You know I probably won't this year just because I'm like in a pissed off mood and.

35:00.12
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, oh.

35:11.63
SoberWill
Um, just getting to the point where I'm like you're not giving me what I want you know I want things that are fun to watch and have a commitment to trying to score as many points as possible I just don't like the way just like the state of things I want to see Dave change.

35:14.42
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

35:30.10
SoberWill
You know like it's got to be killing him watching you and c get to the coastal with a freshman quarterback. Yeah yeah, they haven't really played anyone but they just went and beat wake like the funny thing is is like I could say that this Uc team sucks I mean they beat most of the the atlantic this year too and my opinion. Yeah, like they just beat weak without a problem.

35:51.94
redwhitepodcast
Somebody put this in the chat earlier in the week and I saved it mac is going to have a 10 plus win season possibly 2 near so new year six ball appearances by the end of his fourth season just makes no sense to me why there is no anger in our administration make all excuses you want, but those are the facts.

36:10.20
SoberWill
Yeah, you should want the same thing that we've always had like I don't get it man like here's the thing I'll I'll just give the counterpoint is eight nine wins really that impressive over 10 years yeah it's good.

36:10.91
redwhitepodcast
I agree.

36:28.42
SoberWill
Like is it that hard to run a clean program and do it the right way and make you feel good after wins and always be like hey you know our guys are great. It's not that hard like is Doran really getting his money. Are you know is Doran giving us our money's worth as fans like I don't get it. He seems to be able to put like 2 thirds of a great product out there every you know with defense the last couple years I don't understand why we can't pair a great offense with it. You know I just how did they not look at last year and be like man. We were really like living on the edge. Constantly throughout the year and we had 1 wide receiver that was bailing us out. Did they go and try to get that kind of wide receiver to replace him. No did they have any inkling that they were developing that kind of wide receiver now from what I could tell did they. Kind of go throughout this entire year and say well, it's interesting that these guys really aren't doing anything. Ah you can total up all of Devin Carter you can Devin Devin Carter Keon La saying and ah Darrel Jones or whatever they have. Less production than a mecca as he did last year I'm sure they got 2 more games left but on their current pace. It's not like they're really setting the world on fire and like that's just pathetic 1 guy last year is outpacing 3 guys this year. That's not good and.

37:59.49
SoberWill
I don't get it I don't understand why the freshmen aren't being featured how bad of a route runner is Julian Gray that you can only trust him to hand the ball off to him like isn't that on you. Like the other guys suck like I'm sorry like Keon was saying cool. You made 2 catches against wake forest like that's not good enough bro. You know Joker should be fired like I don't want to hear it i.

38:28.26
redwhitepodcast
The entire off offensives staff should be fired. We're gonna be honest Tim Beck terrible their office line is terrible. Great Gibson goes down and people are using that as excuse someone back and watch the game. There's.

38:34.97
SoberWill
Offensive line isn't that great.

38:44.55
redwhitepodcast
Freaking Miss blocks all over place they got dominated. They could dominate up front even before he went down.

38:46.80
SoberWill
Yeah, well I mean look the center is important look the center's got an important role pointing out protections and things like that like it you like oh I know I'm not saying no I'm not saying he was having a good game I'm not saying that by any means once again like classic senior year game like at the end of this right. Like just hate seeing your day hate it? Um, but you know that's things like if Mcmahon's gonna be your backup right? He's got to be ready to be the backup. You know. We'll see how he does this week like that's the thing is like you're replacing four plus years of starting experience in one week and you're about to Face Louisville who is going to like just twist you to death I guarantee they're going to be twisting the whole time and our guys are going to just be like oh heads on swivel.

39:36.95
redwhitepodcast
Yep.

39:37.98
SoberWill
Feel bad for Jack Chambers or Ben Finley because they're going get planted in the dirt a lot this weekend. Probably.

39:44.22
redwhitepodcast
Jack Chambers Ben finly Mj Morris is probably not playing this weekend even though he is tops on the depth chart you are in the pod chat know why? oh I'm sure it will be I'm gonna read some of these kind of questions.

39:49.94
SoberWill
Well maybe Mali Cunningham isn't either. Maybe it's gonna be shit on shit.

39:59.52
redwhitepodcast
The modern college landscape with the ni collective the way it is is nc state an attractive job I think it can be I think Dave gets paid enough I think there is a passion in the fan base that somebody could ignite I think that if the leadership could get behind it I think there could. Be really, it could be really attractive. It could be a really good place again. You have a booming population. You have you know you're in a tech hub you have a very affluent population around you. You have a huge alumni base everything there. Other than somebody to shepherd us into the next generation and it's a pivot point right? I think this really could be a pivot point or that if if boo was serious about being big time. He could say. We're gonna be big time. This is what we're gonna do I got Randy behind me, we're gonna do this and this is what you're gonna do. We're gonna buy in and believe it and to expect that to happen. No, but the opportunity is there if somebody really wanted to you know, take the reins. Sad exhausted a question. No, it's not a question. But yes I am sad and exhausted as you can probably tell all week I've been ranking the most I've been ranking the most down bad I've been about state football not just disappointing loss season overall but plique outlook.

41:30.59
redwhitepodcast
The short short term building a competitive roster with our recruiting limitations in long term building a attractive brand attractive enough to get not to get left on the cold after the expansion I guess that's not really a question but all that down to I'm pretty down. I think that? ah um I think the optimism is there or can be there right? The positivities there. There's so many good things that are happening. We have a lot of young talent like there's somebody can come in and and really harness some of the playmakers we have and some of the opportunity around us to build a. Build a big brand build everything around here like it's there. You know if they had the nnil in order I think there's probably an opportunity there. You could raise some money I think there are people that are willing to contribute. People that are willing to be a part of something when you're winning people want to be a part of it right? It's just is better that way and when you're trying to win people want to be a part of it if you're not trying to be the best if you're okay, with being second second most wins the last five years behind Clemson. Can't help you just feel like the program died Saturday how I will go that far. Do you think it's time to make a change given the landscape is changing so much cost. Yeah I mean that's that's part of it right now. It's now's the time college football is more important than ever. It could be your out. It could be your way of.

43:05.20
redwhitepodcast
Doing it I mean listen at press conference Dave sounds defeated. He sounds mentally exhausted if I'm an athletic direction like hey man. Great job. You've done a good job over 10 years want you go retire early, go fish or what't you come be in a system a d or a liaison to the program or something I don't know something right something that is less stressful and less in the spotlight. He sure sounds defeated. He sure sounds beat down. He spent way too much time talking about bc in this press conference which does not bode. Well for. Ah, Louisville Game you've got to put that past you? Yeah I think the fans the fans are supposed to do that said the fans are supposed to do that fans are the ones are supposed to be talking about the Bc game right? We're not worried. We're not practicing. We're not worried about Louisville.

43:46.12
SoberWill
Um, yeah mean he's He's pissed you know I mean what's that.

44:00.80
SoberWill
Yeah.

44:01.99
redwhitepodcast
Fans are the ones that should be doing that he spent too much time doing about it and I think the mentality and and what he said was just not the approach that I would want to hear right? or that I think is best from a ah leadership standpoint.

44:09.97
SoberWill
I yeah I think it's a little bit of cya like he knows how bad that loss was like man. It's just it's so gross thinking how close the season is to being losses to Virginia tech. Losses to Bc right? like man. What is this staff doing.

44:35.50
redwhitepodcast
Here's here's another comment I here's another comment I got so if Dave is staying. How could we make the most of it. How can we change the narrative it starts this week show. You can recover win the week play your ass off and play your ass off next week against the heels not in 3 chance to win 10 the ball game with your last 3 lot of good momentum figure out how to get well he said leary a quarterback back and a good receiver in the portal like it's it's not that far away you know, but somebody at um, somebody else said it's set of common by this press conferences.

45:12.49
redwhitepodcast
What I wish he had said was or the players you hear you've moved on and need to focus on this week right? A lot of the good coaches are taking every game serious right? The need to know that you're treating every game the same. Um. And and we've heard it with Sabin right and other and the other coaches who are just like extra extraordinary when they have a chump game when they have a game there. No, they should be when they should win their extra assholes for it and that's that's what they do right? Herb Inic you do the same thing do that when you are trying to. Didn't put save it in herbyndic in the same sentence. So nobody called me on that one. Ah, but the point is the same you got you've got to demand it like Mac Brown put out a his press conference and somebody shared his quotes with me. He said I was really frustrated in the fourth quarter with our team at Appalachian state.

45:50.80
SoberWill
Yeah, be careful.

46:05.68
redwhitepodcast
We got a 20 point lead. There's 11 minutes left good teams put their foot in the gas and put the game away said Mac Brown you can either take it and be complacent and feel cool and have Georgia tech coming in here with an edge or you can get ready to be better if you don't think a game's important, try to lose 1 it real important after you lose them I've done both like. Um, bang on Matt Brown a lot. He he gets that much right? He gets it the recruit good players get him ready to play ain't that hard hold him accountable.

46:36.55
SoberWill
Yeah, 1 thing yeah 1 thing I big I mean someone was asking like about changes right? like you have to hope the players are gonna be playing for their personal draft stock right? That's what Alabama said right? and that's what it's what Inc State has to hope.

46:48.32
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

46:54.90
SoberWill
Right now that everyone doesn't go with fuck and and bals um day you better present a a different vision right? like I don't know it's so funny. Same person was chirping at people about being quitters right? was like I think we're gonna be better next year and it's like.

47:14.64
SoberWill
I Wish I could have the blinders on like that like I can't lie to myself. Yeah I need I need to see who's coming in I need to make these assessments. It's like good grief. This is the problem with this.

47:19.00
redwhitepodcast
How can you lose 30 people and think you're going to be better next year I don't care who you are.

47:33.84
SoberWill
University is it thinks that people have to behave like that you know I Yeah yeah.

47:38.54
redwhitepodcast
Like it's okay to be critical right? We don't how many times we said that it's okay to not be happy with something. It doesn't mean you are a bad fan or you don't like Dave or you don't like their football team or whatever it may be like it's okay, it's okay people you can. You can have a critical opinion. It's not gonna hurt anything if some recruit listens to the podcast and I like man you guys are too negative. Well well, we're not negative. We're trying to to trying to win like we want to win. We're trying to demand that our university wants to win. Sorry about it.

48:16.33
SoberWill
Yeah, go listen to Kenton Gibbs Podcast this week if you want to hear a former player railing on a coach. Ah.

48:23.70
redwhitepodcast
Yes, Katon did a great job I ah, told that to Kenton he was very blunt about what he saw and his frustrations with Tim Beck mostly about not helping out your young quarterback. Not leaning onto the seniors hey especially.

48:40.90
SoberWill
Yeah, not leaning on fair I mean like this is something we didn't discuss earlier like how are you an officer coordinator and not force feeding it to your best guy at this point de trail Timmans play.

48:55.36
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, 8 steps. Um, um.

48:59.69
SoberWill
Why you know you really got to you've really got it like I don't get it man like you just go through last year I don't understand how this team looks at their personnel and says we're all good. Put Kean losain on the outside. It's like they're like jamming like 3 slot receivers into the wrong spots I don't get it. You know? are you guys I think when it comes down to is could they not just can like allow themselves to be a little bit cutthroat and say. Time for you to move on time for you to move on time for you to move on need to clear out space trying to win a championship. This should have unloaded the dead weight after last season and said you know we've been watching these guys and practicing in games for a long time. Looks like a meca asie and Theo Thomas are doing their job. Carter's inconsistent but he benefits from those 2 playing now we're just gonna roll what we got and we're gonna bring in a guy from Maryland to had like 2 good games. Okay. Fucking embarrassing.

50:13.23
redwhitepodcast
The other one and I mentioned it earlier is it's probably the bigger. What the fuck for me is you know part of the trust the coaches crowd. Trust the coaches they're gonna do his best trust i. I get it. They know way more football than I do trust the coaches. Why would I trust the coach who's playing a one arm Trent Pennix straight out of halftime first series first series out of halftime. So you were just in the lock room with a guy who probably couldn't lift his arm to pee and you're telling me we thought it was a good idea to put this guy in the game throw a deep ball to him where he tries to catch with 1 hand. Anybody else gets that ball. They probably score.

51:04.47
SoberWill
Mismatch man that's why if Mj just could throw a better ball to him. You don't understand man Tremp Pinnix has the best yeah german pinx has the best 1 and on the team.

51:07.34
redwhitepodcast
Um, why is he in the game. Yeah, put it in his right hand not in his left hand sorry.

51:17.69
redwhitepodcast
Ah, it's things and there's another one he he got blown up on a block on a short yarder's play the one or the guys like jabbing at Mj Morris's knee in the pile ah grinding on his kneecap.

51:35.88
redwhitepodcast
Treendix is in there trying to block out one arm like what in the hell are you doing? Trust the coaches. What a wish somebody would have asked him ask him about that. Yeah tre chair was you know, roughed up early and look I took take some hits. Came in a half time trying to catch the ball one arm. What is that about I was seeing the game when he get lift his left arm.

52:05.67
redwhitepodcast
Furriating. It's stuff like that that just makes me mad stuff like that that just makes me I don't get it I don't get the decision make I'm not very smart but I'm smart enough to know that I'm not putting a 1 arm wide receiver out there running a go route. And expecting him to catch it with 4 yeah.

52:22.54
SoberWill
I'm not making him I'm not making him block they kept they were making him block with one arm. Are you this bad like you just got to get new plays. You didn't have him for what 6 plus games. And you're telling me you can't be like well I think we need to stop calling stuff that requires an h back if this is what we're going to have out there. It's just incompetence man. It's negligent quite frankly. Like obviously his arm is pretty effed up already if he can't even lift it up. But you're gonna just keep throwing him out there like at some point you got to say love you guy but you got to sit the bench out for the rest of the game. No doubt that kid wants to play. Yeah.

53:08.23
redwhitepodcast
Get healthy right? We all we heard last year is how good toodle was put tooodle in.

53:15.35
SoberWill
Who does where he's been like how about just not build your whole damn offense around an H back and tight ends like you've got one great player who's had injury concerns all his time at Nc State I Hate to say it. You should not be building it around him as a critical Piece. He is a great to have when available didn't.

53:41.53
redwhitepodcast
This is one of those ones where like Dave is at fault because he's the Ceo but I don't know how much of that Dave knows like personnels like who's going in right then like and that's part is of me is like all right I give Dave a little bit of pass there. But your entire offensive coaching staff should be aware that a guy has got one arm and you should be aware that he probably shouldn't be in the game terrible chucker phillips has been stealing money from us all year I just don't I don't get that in the offensive line officers line just been not good. We can't run block not consistent. They got just ate up by Bc. Your center is your best off in line and your centers not playing in the Nfl you're in trouble. That's not good. Where's the offensive line development. We put icky in the Nfl. It's great icky. Go to put himself in the Nfl he could have played for Athens strive and probably made the Nfl.

54:56.83
redwhitepodcast
Where's where's the rest of the develop. We still can't be paying for the sins of Dwayne Ledford not this far. Not this far away. Go get gold land some offensive lineman stop letting Notre Dame take your.

55:10.65
SoberWill
If you could have paid a guy. Yeah I mean if you could have had your and I crap set up ahead of time right? you could have had multiple offensive linemen from the portal the last go around but you couldn't compete with it.

55:14.32
redwhitepodcast
Offices alignment.

55:23.25
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, for.

55:29.95
SoberWill
You know I'm gonna be really interested like I'm looking at the wolf pack club 2019 tax form and they had twenty six point six million dollars in contributions and grants and they had. 19000000 in grants that were paid out 3000000 in salaries that were paid out 3000000 and quote other expenses up to 26000000 I mean real curious to see if like what this looks like going forward because like here's my thing if. Out of state tuition costs have been reduced which was supposedly some huge burden on the wolf pack club and these scholarships I assume these grants that have to be paid out in summer amounts is going to get reduced so. What's the purpose of the wolfback club. Like I'm always told it's to fund scholarships for athletes. So if we are overfunding wolfpac club going forward I think the university needs to approach them and say you need to divert those funds you need to talk to your donors tell them to reduce their contributions protect their status priority. Whatever. And make sure it's going to n nil because let's say you're 2 or $3000000 over consistently like this 2019 form. They had one point eight million dollars in revenue less expenses. That's one point eight million that could have been going towards an I l right.

57:00.41
SoberWill
That should get larger going forward I would assume you know unless this is accounting massive projects and these 26.6 isn inconsistent but the year before is 26.2 you know like that's the kind of conversations that have to be had.

57:10.59
redwhitepodcast
There was yeah and then another there gonna be some Twitter tough guys that are going to say well. The university can't be involved in all that those rules changed they can have some relationship now. It's It's still muddy but it's not like it was before where like the nc state guys were just afraid to talk about it like boo would not even talk about it at 1 of the caravans like and carefully talk about that guy can that's not you've got Tennessee's athletic director coming out putting a video on like. Donate to our collectives. You got everybody else like rallying to the collectives. But again, we just put out $15000000 scoreboard put a $5000000 scoreboard up, you just tend to get me players. You'll win a lot more championships. You'll go. You'll get a lot bigger scoreboard after that. Just misplaced priorities misplaced agenda and whatever you want to say it just backwards. We're talking about how important these things are and we just. Nobody knows what we're doing about him and we some more questions can we finally agree that Dave has improved the program immensely from Tom O'brien but we've likely so likely seen his ceiling at state i' got quite a few of those. Yeah I mean I think you've had worse said where that damn staff you've had 5 chances. Let's say.

58:46.90
redwhitepodcast
At game changing not came program changing game. Sorry so where I was looking for wake 2018 a few of these other games. Was it Miami Clemson 2016 the whole club toy 16 year was kind of whack I mean at some point how many more data points. Do you need right? Weren. We haven't gotten over the hump there. And find those numbers or those games I'm listed down here. It's like to me that's I mean it's a valid argument I don't think if you want to keep Dave or you want to fire Dave there's any, you're not wrong. Either way, that's the thing I think there's a lot of validity to it. Like if you think we've hit the ceiling. You know I think boo and Dave are tight. But I don't know you know if he's really serious about football.

59:58.54
redwhitepodcast
I'll try think where is it damn can't find anything when I need it I got most stuff everywhere here. It is 2017 lost a c glimpsemps and had chance to clinch the atlantic 2018 lost the wake forest is 19.5 lost your new Year's sixth game New Year six spot 2020 lost to Miami after being up 10 in the fourth new year 6 game gone 2021 lost awake win clinches the Atlantic 2022 lost to Bc is 19 point favorites backdoor backdoor chance at a new year six game gone I mean at some point. Yeah, are which you are right? If you're not demanding to be better than what we doing fire Tim Beck case anyone's not had that creative id ah.

01:00:47.66
SoberWill
Here's what I would do I would make Tim Beck be the quarterback coach and make him watch a modern offensive coordinator like isn't that just the trajector of his career constantly demoted while not being fired like.

01:01:02.78
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I Guess yeah.

01:01:05.47
SoberWill
Call him the Co O C you know, let him learn. Yeah, this is a teaching opportunity for you back.

01:01:12.19
redwhitepodcast
Now that you n CC is hired the guy from the guy from Michigan the associate head coach from Michigan he was trying to retire that dream's gone. Ah.

01:01:31.96
redwhitepodcast
Dave is Tom O'brien how do we get out of the spiral of mediocrity can boo make the right hire of Dave Lee's job again. Boo's well respected in the the community the community athletics community for whatever that's worth I don't know anything none of us fans really know.

01:01:47.73
SoberWill
Why that is or like why that is.

01:01:49.62
redwhitepodcast
He hasn't had to hire anybody oh yeah, what Yeah, why or is it that true like I don't know anything about him. So yeah, you guess as good as mine I don't think Dave is Tom O'brien yeah I get the similarities. What happens when we go 7 and 5 this year and fans give up on Dave and he remains coach. How bad is 10 is going to be next year when do we move on again could be a pivot point either way I saw a lot of excitement after that weight game with what Mj had. Torell Timmons Michael Allen I was excited right? That'll put that'll put butts in the seats. But here's the worst case scenario lose to Louisville lose to Carolina go to the military bowl. Lose dcu again 7 and 600%. That's that's how it's lining up. We're on track for our military bowl at the moment easy you playing a lot better your plan. All.

01:02:44.83
SoberWill
God wouldn't that be poetic. Yeah yeah, it's gonna so I don't know with what they really do a rematch like that like especially. Against 2 programs one of which would be like adamant. We do not want to play this team again.

01:03:08.37
redwhitepodcast
Wouldn't it be hilarious. So be it be all purple there and it like could be no state. No state fans other than a few diehards Just don't think anyone wants to see that game.

01:03:16.83
SoberWill
I don't know I'd be very excited to see what? um Jimmy Chadwell looks like in his bowl practices as our head coach. Ah could we hire here's I mean like look is this crazy I mean won't we just go hire coastal's off offensive coordinator.

01:03:20.13
redwhitepodcast
Oh oh.

01:03:32.20
redwhitepodcast
Willie corn former Clemson quarterback. Yes like I don't know if he calls the plays but he sure should have learned enough again. The problem is not just the offense coordinator Dave has got to get out of the way Dave has got to back up and just say all right your offense.

01:03:33.33
SoberWill
Why not.

01:03:41.48
SoberWill
Um, yeah.

01:03:48.13
SoberWill
Like if I was Dave this will about would be my lesson learned from this year until you are up 21 points you do not get to take your foot off the gas like you need 3 score buffers 3 touchdown buffers in the modern era.

01:03:48.69
redwhitepodcast
Do whatever you want.

01:04:08.40
SoberWill
Like I hate to say it like usually the other team doesn't come back and you hold them off right? But good god how bad is this season with the ecu loss a vt loss a Bc lost. Yeah, we should have lost 4 state. Let's be real like they shot themselves in the foot.

01:04:09.41
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:04:27.78
SoberWill
I Got dang what this season could have been with a competent offense.

01:04:32.70
redwhitepodcast
Um, which is infuriating right? It's just so disappointing that we knew this going in. We knew this in the offseason.

01:04:49.36
redwhitepodcast
We knew this is going to be your year. You have all the pieces you want where you claim to want and this is the off you roll out. That's what's infuriating to me, you made the adjustment on defense you changed your philosophy on defense you let Tony Gibson do what Tony Gibson wants to do. And yet you're often still is hamstrung. It's baffling man baffling.

01:05:16.25
SoberWill
Yeah I mean he gave you know what's interesting right? If you think back on he gave huckx full chance right going to through 3 5 you're in charge make it work couldn't make it work fired him right? went out. Got Charlie went out got db's ah Mitchell right? You know went out.

01:05:25.16
redwhitepodcast
Yep.

01:05:34.11
SoberWill
Out Lindsey right? It's like he's made the changes in the past and you know you should be able to It's not that hard go find, go find offenses that are scoring see that it can be done consistently see that they actually have a plan. Go hire them. Just make a change because like honestly I think Dave's here 3 years tops right? So I'd go get something that's super easy to install can make it so that you do not worry about that and have something to promote in the off season something. It's not gonna scare any of the recruits that you're gonna sign just say hey.

01:05:56.92
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:06:12.90
SoberWill
Making a change. We're not going to change. You know we may change fundamentally what we're doing on offense but we're not changing the fun. You know the philosophy of the program Blah Blah blah the things you're signing up for the family approach. Yeah I gotta.

01:06:23.80
redwhitepodcast
Yeah let's say Tim Becks gets fired who would be a few candidates. We'd like to see in Raleigh would rivers speak can I got a vent strategically took my wife and 2 kids the first game against Bc after the game I could say was welcome to being a wolf bag van ah rivers is not andar's not coming he's not moving his family again. I don't think yeah I don't think so think he's happy being a high school coach following what his dad did we already said willie corn does Lincoln Riley have any more brothers I don't know about I mean there's guys out there that like will said you just look at an offense. Ah. That's overperforming its talent that was the guy we were talking about earlier kid from Kansas ah total niki right? That guy that offense has been dramatically better.

01:07:23.34
redwhitepodcast
Um, you know will haul Smu he's their head coach now but he was yeah a tool lane guy look what terlane's doing delaen right out kicking their coverage offensively. There's plenty of places you can look.

01:07:32.26
SoberWill
Yeah.

01:07:37.87
redwhitepodcast
Just say you do something dynamic find a guy that's go that's willing to be dynamic and press right? That's why you and I both love Jamie Chadwell coastal carolina because that offense is stressful to defenses and even with their backup quarterback. They went on the road and won.

01:07:55.75
SoberWill
Yeah, maybe they'll do us a favor and drop 1 or two here at the end right? and then the the shine will be off right? Yeah, got it I'm sorry you got to make sacrifices man.

01:07:57.26
redwhitepodcast
And put up numbers.

01:08:02.23
redwhitepodcast
Yes, that's sure I stop pulling for him. Good point. Yeah, all right? That's ah we've beat this horse as much as we can right now I think.

01:08:18.34
redwhitepodcast
Everybody is as frustrated as we are I don't think it's just him back I think it's needs to be a philosophical change and I think we need to have a. University-wide philosophical change if we're really going to be serious about football and I don't blame anybody who is not happy with the current vision and decides to not put their money in there. Not to back him out financially I think that's probably a wise decision vote with your Wallace right? I mean that's what we always say so people always say why can't we do it here. Why do we have to be blindly faithful. Why do we have to thump our chest and say we're better fans and. Than you or we do this because we're good fans like this. It's silly man. Yeah, exactly we're grownups we're grownups we can do these things anyway, there's a ton of questions I'm not going to get to them all. Ah I'm going to do a couple.

01:09:12.47
SoberWill
Just just make it easier for us to be better fans.

01:09:28.43
redwhitepodcast
10 minute takes this week and then I've got a Louisville pod for y'all coming. So if you want to get on those support the sites support the podcast we demand excellence so back us right? I don't know why not. Always do wonder how much money we could raise if we did ah we actually pulled a collective together I feel like it's just.

01:09:51.96
SoberWill
Probably like $5000 if we're being honest.

01:09:55.79
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, ah we could buy somebody we good buy somebody? Yeah well good buy somebody somebody's a backup kicker somewhere anyway.

01:09:59.50
SoberWill
For like a week

01:10:06.10
SoberWill
I always thought the thing that was going to happen is that rival fanbases were going to create fake n ills for like you know payfor play things like s sacks and fumbles and try to be like oh yeah, yeah, we run the Unc Foundation and

01:10:16.53
redwhitepodcast
I Mean why wouldn't you.

01:10:23.40
SoberWill
But like don't take money from these guys. We're like no, no, no, you can take money from us. Please please please you know, but you only get it if you do these things and just see what happens first I bet you and see football player would take them take a check from us and then we could self-report to the nce of play like you know what pack of heels.

01:10:25.30
redwhitepodcast
2

01:10:35.41
redwhitepodcast
Like donate to to the pack of heels and then get all the carolina fans to give us money and we s slide it over to the to Noah Rogers yeah yeah yeah I can't wait for that game. That's gonna be fun.

01:10:44.40
SoberWill
Man yeah, they're gonna be chirping. They're gonna be chirping in two weeks

01:10:54.50
SoberWill
Might be might be shopping.

01:10:54.43
redwhitepodcast
That's gonna be fun all right y'all black Friday It's gonna be really black Friday All right I'm go go eat dinner. Thanks for listening and thanks for supporting site supporting the pod engaging with us right? having these conversations. It's the best part about it and as always.

01:11:12.93
SoberWill
Go back.

01:11:14.16
redwhitepodcast
So pack.