Ep 265 - ACCCG, Avent, The Snub, & Tommy White

Zach joins me to discuss the wild weekend that was for NC State baseball.

ACC CG thoughts

Elliot Avent's tenue

The Snub

Tommy White transferring rumors

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00:22.19
redwhitepodcast
All right folks we are back with another dish on the red my podcast I'm your host Evan here with my man zack so you know what that means we are gonna talk basketball. What do you think about turquo coming back zach.

00:34.82
Zach
ah ah I made my thoughts known on that I I that's great. Great for nch state. That's all I can say that's I just I know we got I know we've got him and Marcel and that's about all I know about and brion pass.

01:05.39
redwhitepodcast
Now but for real.

01:20.71
redwhitepodcast
But.

01:11.44
Zach
And that's about all I know about the basketball team man. It's ah I gave up on that says brutal.

01:34.97
redwhitepodcast
Ah, you're not you're not alone there. Buddy. There's a whole can be a whole new team next year. It'll be interesting to see what happens. But really we want to talk about baseball the pack made it to the Ac championship game. They lost their owen 7 Verse Carolina in AcTournament ah and None and acc championship games event can't get over the hump and I think one of the most important games we've had in a long time I mean turned out to be even more so when they didn't get into the and ncabo tournament. We'll get into that. But. What was your feeling on their performance and tournament and then we'll you know we'll get into the championship game after that.

02:48.82
Zach
So coming off of what they came off of the last couple weeks of the season. You know the last month of the season they never went out to state of carolina played Carolina Duke and wake forest um I wasn't expecting. To make it to Saturday wasn't expecting them to win their pod but they did um play good ball you know and and exceeded my expectations based on kind of what had been put on the field throughout the season. Um, so you know that was that was a high point. Um. Then you know, kind of getting into the I think I said in the pod chat after Pitt had won their pod I said man if state beats Miami tonight we are sitting pretty looking you know going into going into the weekend two days rest and I I knew we would beat pit on Saturday and and. After Carolina had beat Notre Dame earlier in the day on Saturday I told laur and I was like well you know this this is this is gonna be destiny and I mean by now like again, not to do the whole woees me thing. But if you're not skeptical. You know when things come when things work out this way and and you don't have your guard up as a state fan by now I don't know what to tell you you're either a brand new state fan or you're just playing down on the ignorant this ignorant you know so but I mean.

05:44.45
redwhitepodcast
Ah, ah well you know it's it's interesting to me like it Carolina was is it's it's twofold in that it's not just that we were playing Carolina it's just that Carolina was absolutely on fire to end of the season they they were really playing. Well.

05:53.96
Zach
Yeah, well did you see did you see after they beat Clemson on night one. Do you see what I put the pod chat upset I said just telling youall now Carolina's gonna win the tournament because.

06:21.35
redwhitepodcast
Ah.

06:26.20
Zach
I mean you you know you know you and I have talked enough about baseball that I've I've talked to you and last year with state one state get on that roll to end the year when a team gets hot at the right time that that's that's a lot of it at Carolina was hot coming in and.

07:00.50
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

07:03.84
Zach
You know state state heated state got hot in the tournament Carolina was hot coming into the tournament and I said after they beat the brakes off a Clemson on the first night of the termurna I said Caroline's gonna win a tournament and then Friday was it Friday when they played Virginia tech and planked them tend to nothing I was like yep.

07:49.47
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

07:43.86
Zach
That's that's you know that's it. So but ah, you know I mean they were hot. They're the hot team right now.

08:11.19
redwhitepodcast
You know it's interesting man like they they were and then I put in I put in the chat when we were talking about this that it doesn't it. It didn't feel like a team of destiny to me when. Villaman came in and pitched 4 and None thirds scoreless endning or no hit endings and to me it felt like we didn't show up more than Carolina was you know destined to win and that's kind of how I feel about that championship game I just overall i. We we didn't show up. That's what that's what comes down to like I don't know I don't think it was anything that you know Carolina was doing better than us I mean they were playing they were playing well they were hot but you know you had a guy in vilaman who comes in and. Completely shuts them down. This is second championship game in a row where he has had a performance like that you know if you combine those None games last year and this year's championship game. He pitched a no hitter against a duke in car like pretty good but we the rest of the bats didn't show up the you know.

10:04.18
Zach
Now.

10:31.71
redwhitepodcast
Decision to start whitaker. We could probably get into you know, but let's let's do that. Let's start with that like they they put Whitaker in who has you know didn't have a good outing as carolina earlier in the year and they just you know he hasn't had it all year he's been

10:25.96
Zach
I mean.

11:10.65
redwhitepodcast
Scraping by trying to get out innings you know is just it was. It was a weird move for me I didn't think if I'm a ven I'm not starting Whitaker would you.

11:17.32
Zach
No, if you know obviously we're not in the dugout we're not in the clubhouse woodtaker definitely would have pitched. But if I was a ven and I knew coming into that into Sunday. Okay, willitson is available and. He's available for 50 pitches or 75 pitches or I you know it's gonna be his call or unless he gets in trouble I would have started willitson if you knew he was available on Sunday which obviously we did because he came in in the none inning. But if you knew he was available on Sunday I don't I don't understand why you don't start him. Um, you know you give your it to me to me, you want to give your team a chance to to get out front and willitson gives you wither Willetston or villa and give you the best chance of that? Um, so if you start willettson. You know you give you you give your offens a chance to put up some runs while Willitson's doing what he normally does against Carolina I think you know 2 of his better starts in his career have come against Carolina um, and so I would have started him hoped that he could have got me to the fourth inning. Ah you know, give us ah give us chance to. Get 3 hree four runs on the board while keeping carolina at bay um, then I would have probably gone to whitaker for maybe ah, the none thenning and then I would have gone to villaman for the seventh eighth night um you know out I have tried to. Shorten the load as much as I could on whitaker by sandwiching him between our 2 horses and you know you can't I wouldn't have people say you know you should have started villamon. Okay, fine. Let's say villaman goes out there and.

14:37.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

14:51.30
Zach
Gets hit pretty good now you're down to willedson and whittaker and you got willitton on a pitch count because of what he just did on Wednesday you know so I get wanting to save one of your horses till the end but None of your horses is on a pitch count and willitson so I would have started willitton sandwiched Ben and followed that up with Whitaker. And then gone to villamon you know and and you could have had a very very short leash with whitaker in that situation. You know and gone straight to viilla and villaman could have been your he he could have gone. You know he villaman could have gone the none sixth seventh eighth night. You know and I think he ended but you ended up doing 4 and 2 thirds so he came in in the fourth with one out you know so earn in the fifth with with one out. Um, so you know it's hindsight is always none but that would have been my philosophy in the in the situation is.

16:26.33
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

16:38.94
Zach
If you know your if you know your horse is available ride him you know and and get go until go until Matt gets in trouble go until you you know he comes in dugout says I'm done and then you go to whitaker you know and if whitaker gets in trouble then you go to mill.

17:26.33
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, the fact that Wilson was ah available and didn't start and they ended up putting them in. You know after None None from whitaker to just to me that just seems like a lack of foresight right? They just.

17:17.50
Zach
So.

17:32.44
Zach
Um.

17:44.14
Zach
Yeah, yeah.

18:03.35
redwhitepodcast
I would I would love to know what the thought process was behind it and we haven't actually heard anything from the baseball team since since that game since they got snubbed. That's another thing but I just I didn't like that move and what I was saying.

18:03.96
Zach
Now.

18:37.39
redwhitepodcast
With an o one of those guys that says hey start villaman because if you're gonna keep well it's in on a pitch count you like go with your other horse. Take take the risk put it lay it all on the line put your best player on the mound and even though he has been.

18:28.00
Zach
Oh.

18:42.22
Zach
Ah.

19:16.63
redwhitepodcast
You know inconsistent this year. He's been good in clutch moments. He's been good in championship games. You know he's been good in these kind of games and I equated to when the arkansas super regional last year when they play gyro ball boy against us Kevin cops right? He's their closer. He comes in.

19:15.86
Zach
Now.

19:28.22
Zach
Ah, ah.

19:52.89
redwhitepodcast
They know they have to win. They know they have to lay it all on the line and then what they do. They give it to their best pitcher even though he's a closer he goes None innings. You know we won 3 to 2 he pitched a magnificent game and to me. Ah, that's what I'm doing this game was a real chance for a to. Get over that hump and just do anything you can to get that win and the outcome is still same I think that to me is probably the most disappointing part of it.

20:30.14
Zach
Yeah, and and and another frustrating part is that of it is you know it ended up kind of working out the same way the Wednesday night game did you know Whitaker starting worlds and coming in and you know I think Whitaker can be.

21:05.89
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

21:09.94
Zach
really good really effective um but it's tough that none none time through the order for on him and you and you start to see that and I think you know as he matures and as he grows develops. You know more depth on his pitches to maybe develops. Even you know another pitch into his. And to his repertoire I think that'll help him but willitson and Villaman have the big game experience and both of them were obviously available Sunday so I'm not sure why you risk starting Whitaker you know, but.

22:30.85
redwhitepodcast
Right? What were you saying? What were you saying earlier in the week and I maybe it was after the Wednesday game where yeah must have been the Wednesday game when they were up comfortably and still put villamin in and you were talking about his.

22:24.48
Zach
You know it's not. So.

22:48.20
Zach
That was stupid. Yeah, it was absolutely stupid I said what I said was I swear to god if Chris Biillaman even has a jersey on right now I'm gonna scissor kick somebody in the throat because I mean it was. You're up what we were up like six on pit and I think.

23:08.93
redwhitepodcast
Go ahead, Go ahead? What? yeah.

23:30.27
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:25.20
Zach
Somebody in the pod chat was at the game and was like villamons in the pin getting loose and I lost it I'm like we're up 6 and the None inning or 8 whatever ending it was you know to me, you don't bring in villament until the tying run is at the plate. So if you're up 6

24:07.67
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

24:02.60
Zach
And they load the bases you still don't bring him in if they hit a grand slam you still don't bring him in now if then if that next guy gets on base and the tying run is now at the plate because they've cut the lead to None you got a runner on and the win in the tying run is at the plate. Okay, then you got a villaum for him to shut it down. But there's no such thing in baseball as a 6 run home run or a 5 run home run you know so I didn't understand why we went to him I don't know if that would have influenced event by by not going by not going to him on saturday. I don't know if that means that he would have started on Sunday you know if if we could have got out a Saturday without using him for those 20 to 30 pitches that he threw you know, maybe he starts on Sunday and maybe you and I are sitting here having this ah doing this pod chat drinking whiskey you know.

25:25.30
redwhitepodcast
Right.

25:52.25
redwhitepodcast
Do ah.

25:48.44
Zach
But such as life as a state there.

26:03.45
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, you know it was yeah is life as a state fan like it's interesting though. That's just another one of those decisions that makes you question the whole thing and and I'll i'll. Get where we're going with that later but looking at the you know the macro of it states pitching. They've just under Chrysler. They just have not had it right? I just feel like there's we haven't had the depth we haven't had. We've had a couple.

26:49.88
Zach
Ah.

27:17.57
redwhitepodcast
You know, really good pictures but we just haven't had the overall depth you need to you know to win and and I didn't think this team was gonna make a college world series Run I thought they had a real chance because the way they were playing in the Ac tournament but I just they've got to do something.

27:39.82
Zach
Or.

27:52.85
redwhitepodcast
To address the pitching woes I feel like there's inconsistency in how they handle them. But it's also in you know the development and depth of the rotation.

27:53.62
Zach
To be completely honest with I mean you're you're 100% right um I feel going down really put a kink into plans. Um, you know I I thought in my mind after after Sunday's game I said if you make a super regional.

28:20.87
redwhitepodcast
Right.

28:32.34
Zach
It's a good year. You've had a good year after what all happened on Sunday you know our pitching just ran out but but even going back to I mean you're 100% spot on because going back to last year in all honesty state had no business making the college world series with only with having Johnston high Phil.

29:11.99
redwhitepodcast
Right.

29:10.18
Zach
Willedson Villaman and Evan justice those were your None arms and in a 3 game series over the course of a weekend over the course of a super regional What have you? you know the the state had no business. Making it through the super reasonable omaha sets up a little better because you play one day than you're off then you play then you're off so omaha sets up a little bit better until the championship series but in a super regional where you're going three days in a road back to back to back only having None arms you know against that caliber of competition. Is is is very very very difficult so you know state was state had very None very good arms last year in the five that I just named and they were able to those guys were able to carry it and and get us to where you know get get state to the college world series this year when highfield went down that was. You know that was kind of that was the nail in the coffin as far as another omaha run because you know we've seen what happens on the Sunday games canan goes out and he does what he does and you know but on a Friday our bullpen loses the game on Sunday our bullpen loses the game you know something like that. And and so the pitching depth is really really a concern and there's a difference between we've talked about it in football. We've talked about it in baseball. There's a difference between depth and quality depth and the the quality depth is just not there yet. Some of the guys are really young. Um. You know I know we had some injuries going on and and like I said highfield going down but you know you can't you can't depend on your Friday Saturday Sunday starters to go out and give you None innings and you know each starter to give you None innings then go to villaman in the eighth is your setup man and then go to justice in the none like what we did um and what we did last year. That's not a sustainable way to go about things in my opinion because a lot of times your starter only gives you five you know and then you've got a piece together none and state was able to do that some last year but it's it's just it's not sustainable in my opinion you need more arms. You need more quality arms.

33:53.70
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, that's what that's that was my take takeaway from that weekend and that was last had said earlier. We just.

33:53.40
Zach
And what gets me is you know you got you got Carolina miami wake forest they they they go to the bullpen and they're bringing in these guys that are you know in the none inning that are. You know, ripping none fastballs. You know we don't have a guy on the team this year throwing that hard. You know villaman runs it up there in 94 you know when he really reaches back and and lets it rip and justice did it last year but you know.

34:54.61
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

35:04.40
Zach
We didn't even we don't even have a guy on the teammate. We didn't have it last year either but at some point you know you've got to recruit and retain some power arms more than just 1 guy you know last year you had to you had justice and and villaman. But you know it's.

35:37.31
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

35:43.58
Zach
To me. We're just we're lacking pitching depth in in power arms and in the number of arms over all that are quality and I'm not one of those guys that sit here and says just because you throw 97 doesn't mean you get hit because you know if you face None and it's flat.

36:14.53
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

36:22.84
Zach
It actually looks I mean a 96 ninety seven mile hour fastball that is flat and doesn't move is easier to hit than like high phil or willitson's fastball that is eighty nine ninety with movement a ball coming at 89 or 90 that has some tail or some run to it is harder to hit than a none might and Eight mile an hour fastball that is flat so you know it's not just I'm not just that guy. Oh the go out there and throw somebody. It's gonna overpower um because that's not gonna happen not at not at that level.

37:21.63
redwhitepodcast
They got to hit the portal and they've got to recruit some pictures like I mean like you said I think that they've got enough pieces coming back. Supposedly that's of now that. That should give this team a real chance to to do well next year but they have to shore up their rotation. They have to get some some depth and we are gonna have to go to the portal for it I just I think if they're gonna capitalize on the talent and the team you know that's just the.

37:53.14
Zach
So.

38:07.44
Zach
Yeah, yeah.

38:33.95
redwhitepodcast
Biggest hole again again seems like every year kind of the same conversation.

38:29.48
Zach
Yeah, and see I I think I think you're losing vham in this year I think he's gone you know I think I think he's gone. It would not surprise me for willets in to go I don't know how much more he could improve his stock.

38:52.71
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I.

39:06.40
Zach
Pretty sure he's drafted eligible this year I think Highfield will be back just because of his injury and so you know that's if those 2 go there's your 2 workhorses from this year

39:27.43
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

39:39.97
redwhitepodcast
I Kind of look at the and ni deals and see if that is any indication on who's who's staying who's going like highfield just signed with the pack of wolves probably means he's going to stick around. You know his injury on top of that you know he's.

39:34.54
Zach
So.

40:16.99
redwhitepodcast
He's got a little bit more he can showcase a little bit more he can he can develop to yeah for the next level i' like said I I think Vin's gone I think he's lefty throwing you know 94 mid 90 s somebody's gonna take a chance on him. Somebody's gonna give him a run I feel like he's gone.

40:38.76
Zach
Now.

40:54.73
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, and then who knows with Wiltson. Yeah, interesting speaking other players that are gone. How don't you know she get into that one yet. Let's go I want I want to go back into. Um the acc championship game and and just the the overall. State of the program. None of the pieces I wrote and in probably put it out tomorrow is around a and the conundrum that el and a is like he is a die hard in cstate guy. He has been here forever. He is you know. Literally built this program and but at same time. The guy hasn't won a thing like he hasn't won a title like they've made some run some places they've into the world series I get it. But if you're I mean no other. Coach would get away with 26 years and no hardware right? I mean that's that's what it comes down to and I think it's a polarizing conversation because I can see you know both sides of it where.

42:42.46
Zach
Out.

43:19.65
redwhitepodcast
People are gonna say well. The administration hasn't prioritized baseball and he's been dealing with you know without the resources he needs to compete and they're still you know being competitive I get that but at same time. The other side is like he hasn't won anything like you're keeping a guy around for a 26 year twenty Seventh year or whatever it is. Who has not won you know in even a conference tournament. It's an interesting debate and I think either for me. Either way, it's ah you at this point a it's avans time a ven's decision on when he steps down right? or when he retires.

43:53.00
Zach
Yes, mail.

44:23.82
Zach
L.

44:39.57
redwhitepodcast
I Don't think you're going out there and forcing him out or firing him. You know, maybe there's a conversation that Boo has with him and you know kindly suggests he move on I don't I don't know how that works where do you stand on event. And his tenure.

45:04.66
Zach
So I am a huge event critic. Um, but you know I'm a huge critic of I will I will be fair I'm a huge critic of of you know when I'm passionate about something and and I see things.

45:44.30
redwhitepodcast
Sure.

45:39.64
Zach
That I don't agree with you know I must say what I say um, it's obvious he loves his players and his players love him. You said that he built nc state baseball up, you know he did from you know from his time here and what all they've gone through. Um yes I agree that. The the administration has not provided him with everything. He's needed. There's been lots of rumors rumblings about people wanting to donate strictly to baseball that not happening. You know the the athletic department saying no, we're not going to do that and you know so he has been hamstrung so in some ways in my opinion based on the stories that you hear. Um, but um I get split on this in the moment I'm I'm like you know, yeah, let him go but and when I you know. Let the emotions die down you know he has taken us to None college world series and last year was lightning in a bottle 2013 was was talent. Um, but at the same time you know you look at 2013 and state goes out to Omaha and then the next year you still have three none round draft picks on your team you have tray Turner Carlo herdan and Brett Austin who was a supplemental supplemental first round draft pick and you don't even make the acc tournament you lose the play in game to Carolina you know 3 None round draft picks on your team. So that you know it's years like that. It's things like that. It's it's decisions like what we just spent so much time talking about with why would you start whitaker instead of willettson on Sunday it's things like that that just you know drive that that's what drives me. And you've you've seen in the pod chat where I talk about and heard on on here at the podcast about middle and backside hitting. You know you saw in the acc tournament this weekend when we hit to the middle when we hit to the backside. Not only do we score runs we hit home runs everybody loves home runs you know.

49:38.49
redwhitepodcast
A.

49:50.68
Zach
I mean Tommy white just made backside hitting a national phenomenon on whatever night it was that he hit 3 backside bombs. You know every hitting every every hitting coach who's worth a damn in my opinion was drooling watching that game.

50:15.21
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

50:22.88
Zach
You know was saying this is how it's done guys. Let the ball travel even if the ball's a foot off the plate on the outside corner you can still drive it that way you know and and so. Things where we don't hit backside I feel like sometimes when we go to our when our players get to the plate. They don't have a good approach and that's coaching to me, you know that's that's a lack of preparation for your guys of understanding who the pitcher is. What his pitches are where does he like to throw the ball is he gonna live on the outside corner and just nibble and nibble and nibble and are you still going up there trying to pull everything you're gonna get out. You're gonna strike out, you're not gonna you know you're not gonna get hits. You're not gonna score runs and that's approach and that's that's philosophy to me and that's one of those places where I'm like okay this is not cutting it. But then you hear you know his players and and they love him and it's you know he has built it up. He is. He's built stayed up without the facilities of a clumpson of a carolina of a uva um and he's made state somebody that you know people don't really want to play against anymore because of you know the the. Reputation that state has they're they're a good ball club. Um, you know the the None question that I continue to ask what you just said and I've asked it in the pod chat I can't think of any coach at any level in any sport that is. Been the coach for 26 years at None place and has never won a championship that's from little league to middle school to high school to college I don't know but you know maybe you're 27 is the year it gets done. You know who knows but. it's it's and and and I don't know this is another thing man a uandc buddy of mine texted me yesterday or Monday right about none he said dude whose wife did events sleep with I said what are you talking about? He said you know.

54:28.10
redwhitepodcast
M.

54:25.68
Zach
Y'all didn't make the tournament the the street you get sent home from omaha last year and this this guy's like a die hard you know unnc fan through and through we he and I go back to childhood friends and always talking junk and he's starting to see like. You know that this is just a string of bad Luck. There's a string of things going on that are just kind of you know all in a tornado of of work or something I don't know but I don't know what it is. You can't put your finger on it. It's it's bad cause at some points. It's bad judgment at other times. It's bad luck. At you know at inopportune times. It's it's all it's all kind of wrapped into one. So I you know I don't know.

55:58.11
redwhitepodcast
I've always I always equate that kind of stuff to leadership right? I've said it before and that was the quote preparation something about preparation helps you win right? there you go? Yeah yeah, and and so that's kind of what.

56:02.60
Zach
Opportunity when the hard work meets opportunity and program all. Yeah yeah, yeah.

56:33.99
redwhitepodcast
You know it it to me. It's leader's leadership at some level right? Do you consider it the administration leadership like why are we still getting kicked around. You know after Omaha last year that's still one of the you know the hottest topics.

56:40.48
Zach
The.

57:11.27
redwhitepodcast
In any baseball conversation like well what happened with emptysate Nomaha last year where was your a D and and you know he didn't world was and nobody was fighting for you Essentially right? you know so it's is it that in order to the leadership on the coaching level where you know you're just not good enough.

57:05.56
Zach
So.

57:51.17
redwhitepodcast
So that you're a align on the ball bouncing your way all right I don't know where that line is or where you draw that line. But I think it's one of those interesting conversations to me where what's going to happen've I've been adaming all along I think event.

57:42.46
Zach
Ah.

58:25.79
redwhitepodcast
Decides to walk off the minute they break ground on some kind of major renovation to doke. They've talked about it for a long time supposedly happening after this season but I don't know if that's like.

58:23.24
Zach
So mother.

58:53.77
redwhitepodcast
The major innovations like parts of it are coming. Yeah, it's It's been so I guess poorly communicated that I don't really know. But I yeah right? who knew who did expect that.

58:54.64
Zach
From the from from State's athletic department. No way I.

59:23.61
redwhitepodcast
But I think at some point that's gonna be it. He's gonna be like all right here's your stadium. This is you know my legacy at ny state and then you know here it is Chris Hart takeover I think kind of that's how we that's kind of where we are in my opinion that that's where we're gonna go but what I want to talk about is insy's take getting snubbed from. The ncw tournament. It's you know they were the what 33 in the Rpi where the baseball committee says hey we look at the rpis one of our you know priority metrics.

01:00:07.20
Zach
Ah.

01:00:37.51
redwhitepodcast
And then the army a D Mike buddy comes out and who is the chair of the tournament committee and says yeah they didn't have enough series wins against their league but literally state swept ecu who is the none national seed. None hcc wins to beat Miami and other national seed. They made to the acc championship game and they still get left out of the termment. None of the biggest snubbs in term in history has to be yeah.

01:01:23.12
Zach
Of it in any sport in any sport state went 4 and 2 against national seeds this year four and 2 against national seeds.

01:02:03.13
redwhitepodcast
That's crazy and I don't know who said it in the chat where we're talking. There's like at some point or maybe will said it like they didn't want to have to they left us out so they didn't have to talk about us and what happened last year right? They didn't want to have that conversation again.

01:02:15.42
Zach
I hope.

01:02:37.10
redwhitepodcast
It almost feels like that was intentional like.

01:02:26.36
Zach
I don't know of a you know it goes back to. They tell you these criteria that they're going to depend on and it goes back to what three years ago with the basketball team and here's the net rankings. This is what we're going to rely on and state gets snubbed. And then you hear Rpi talk I mean like there was not a single not a single national writer these guys live and breathe college baseball. That is their job that is their livelihood that is their their source of income and how they pay the bills. There was not a single national writer who had stayed not in this tournament and 95% of them had state as a 2 seed. And so I came home the other day and I I was explaining it to laur and I told her I said based on how baseball you know the region set up and the seatings and the were rankings and all the stuff I said imagine there's a team because she pays attention to March March madness she gets you know she understand I said imagine there's a team that is a None seed. Supposed to be a 6 C joe luonardi goes out and said here's the None seed you know of ah of what I think and then the ncwla tournament committee selection committee says now they're not even in they're not I mean a None seat. You know there's it. Just.

01:05:10.25
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

01:05:22.98
Zach
That's the equivalent there if you do the math and look at it. You know it's in but it's in between a None and ah and a 8 so I went with 6 that's the equivalent there and and they're like no, they're not even in and it's the the the army director athletic director who was the chairperson he went on there and said what he said but. You know that's just where you you compare apples to oranges just to prove your your narrative is correct. You leave out the fact that your number None national seeds state swept them this year Virginia tech state went 1 and 2 against but state beat Miami too. Who's your what number None national seed. So overall in the year against your national seats the top None teams the top None teams in the country that you yourself just said here's the top None teams state went 4 and 2 against on the year and you said that they didn't do enough that they weren't good enough. You know and. It it all I can't sit here and say that it's tied to omaha I can't say that it's not but it feels like in the last two years you know there's there's something in the water. There's something against fighting against ah. And c state baseball and and the national writers Steven shock you know all them Kendall rogergers Erin Tit all them are are just you know they come out and they're tweeting like how and I think air. Um Kendall Rogers wrote a whole piece about it. You know for you know, just saying.

01:08:23.70
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:08:21.60
Zach
How in the world does this happen. How like how can you justify these things happening and and and to be honest, there is no justification. There is no objective justification for what happened. On monday and state being left out of this and ncw tournament. Objectively speaking. There's no explanation whatsoever. So then that just leaves subjective and then you're getting emotions and opinions involved and that's not the way these things are supposed to work. You know that's not the way it's it's supposed to boil down and. think about the seniors from last year's team. you think about the seniors from this year's team what what all they did in the last two years to prepare for these moments and to have None institution one entity end. Both of their seasons in the way that the and ncw a just did the last two years man I would be I can't say it on the podcast. It would be bad that was me.

01:10:46.19
redwhitepodcast
And as at some point I get the conversation where people are gonna say what can boo do right? What can he? What can he do good how you fun.

01:10:51.40
Zach
Well I can tell you let me? Ah, um, but didn't mean to cut you off Nc State fans are a passionate fan base passionate. You know you can't be an nc state fan and not have passion for nsy state after everything that's gone on everything we've been through. To me I just want to see some passion come out of the athletic director's office and a simple tip of the cap and a nod I mean I told you you know I said in the pod in the pod chat I said who's going to come out and say we're disappointed and we think they're wrong. That's it. That's I was gonna say and that's exactly what he came out and said. And that's no there's no passion there there's no teeth There's no tenacity there's there's no you know you got I mean there's there's nothing there other than you know? Thank you may I have another and that's all it is it gets you. It just gets you nowhere. And it doesn't you know? at least if you people some people will say well you know he's not going to go out there and make a fool out of himself. Okay, well if he goes out and shows a little passion and does make a fool out of himself. That's just going to endear him more to state fans because of the passion that we all have you know I mean. You can't be a state fan Philip River said at pe and see you know Wolf Packck is not for soft. You can't be a state fan and be soft. You can't after I mean just look at the last two June the last two baseball seasons and what has happened being sent home from Omaha one went away from the national championship we were going to win. Against vanderbilt I don't give a damn. What anybody says that we were going to the national championship. What would happen against Mississippi State I don't know but we were hot and you see what happens I e carolina when teams get hot at the right time and they get sent home over some bull crap you know with all that stuff going on out there and it's not. Equitable between teams. It's not the the same rules were not applied to all the teams and then this year state does more than enough not to just be a 3 seat not to squeak in as a 3 seed. No they're they're supposed to be all the national writers had them as a 2 seed and the ncw term. It's like nope you're not, you're not in but oldness is. Oh missus? yeah.

01:15:28.89
redwhitepodcast
Kendall Rogers was talking to somebody else about their college world series brackets and he said I submitted a blank bracket to show off my sincere hate for everyone involved on picking ansy state to win my bracket and it was he was furious just like everybody else because it is unjust.

01:15:36.76
Zach
Yeah, yeah.

01:16:04.30
redwhitepodcast
And I was looking back and just scrolling through trying to see I know boo put out a statement and turns out wasn't on. It's not on his Twitter it's on the nc state athles Twitter says we are shocked and disappointing that our baseball team did not receive a bid to the nca tournament. We heard for our student athletes and coaches who've worked so hard.

01:16:03.86
Zach
Oh.

01:16:40.97
redwhitepodcast
And who we believe deserve yeah this opportunity which almost sounds the exact same statement after the ball game got canceled right? and that was and you said it best after that game he came out and he showed a little bit of care about that he was on camera somewhere and.

01:16:42.60
Zach
Yeah.

01:17:18.63
redwhitepodcast
You know and said he was frustrated and blah blah blah and everybody's like all right, you know boo give him a chance this is this is better but then he has a chance here to endear himself and just come out and say this this is unjust this is not fair. We need to have you know, just. You don't have to go rage on somebody but you know call your buddy at at arm a I talked to Mike Buddy who's you know the chair of the committee and you know we want to have some transparency on how this process was done blah blah blah you know at least feel like you are trying to do something because.

01:17:43.60
Zach
Oh.

01:18:32.11
redwhitepodcast
After Omaha where you're just feckless and then you come down and it happens again the very next year. It's super frustrating to not to to feel like he doesn't have your back right in a state. There are no bandwagon state fans.

01:18:47.98
Zach
That's absolutely no.

01:19:05.37
redwhitepodcast
Like if you're a state fan. You've been through this nonsense before and it just feels like he just doesn't get it right? Did he's not it doesn't feel like he's one one of us or has our back in that regards and that's so frustrating from ah a fan standpoint.

01:19:24.40
Zach
Exactly I mean like what you just said was perfect excuse me if Boo would have come Lee would have sent out a statement like he does and said yeah you know this hurts this sucks I called Mike Bubby whatever his name is the the. Army Athletic director who's the chair of the baseball selection committee and I told him he was flat out wrong I told him he was wrong I would have been like respect appreciate that appreciate that oh would you like me to send more money. Okay, you know, but now you're just like we're hurt. We disagree.

01:20:29.37
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:20:41.52
Zach
Can you fill out this and send more money. Please you know it's just like what what are we doing here. You know like you said the leadership. There is not passionate ah about the the wrongdoings that are happening to the programs that they are supposed to care about.

01:21:28.85
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:21:20.98
Zach
And I I don't understand that disconnect there. You know I don't understand people you know instates athletic directors coaches. All of them. You know they have to go through it as well. But at the same time. A lot of times I feel like NCStandNC State fans are taken for granted, you can't name another program in the country at any level whose fans show up the way State fans show up and who endure what we have endured for how many years forty you know.

01:22:09.51
redwhitepodcast
Hundred percent hundred percent

01:22:38.19
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:22:33.60
Zach
You're it's it. It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen.

01:22:48.81
redwhitepodcast
And and that the last podcast and I went on a bit of a tirade because at some point I got a call that day one day from the alumni association the wolfat club and then the pack of wolves send out messages. They're all asking for money from state fans at some point I'm like where's the ah roi on any of this.

01:23:07.64
Zach
Er Her Er her.

01:23:26.93
redwhitepodcast
Right? Who's got our bag like they will they want us to donate and contribute and then people are very fast to say Well, you're not contributing or you know State fans are cheap like man State fans have been through it for a long time and.

01:23:45.88
Zach
Yeah, and continue to show up.

01:24:04.45
redwhitepodcast
It's shouldn't It's yeah, it's not hard to rally them into some kind of frenzy for the good of the programs like just pretend you have our back and that's all we're asking and we just got a nonsense response or or nonresp Responsese and it's just. That part is super frustrating.

01:24:27.52
Zach
Would it as a as a completely objective person and from and to take a completely objective viewpoint if you were donating to the Nc State baseball program just in the last two years and you saw what the Nca had done to them. And the last two years would you send more money I mean I don't know that you can justify that I mean you you put the product on the field last year that it just beat vanderbilt that was the hottest team in the country and you send them home at 47 a m and then this year they've done more than enough not only to be in the tournament but to be a None seed and you know you don't even give them you put them in the tournament. So at some point as ah as a as a fan to me, you know you get to a eventually you get to a crossroads where you say is this. Is this worth it like what? What do we? What's what's going on here. there's there's no they're asking for my money and I'm giving my money and we're doing enough on the field and then we're getting shunned and this is happening and that's happening. But then you know oh thank you may I have another next year as well please send more money. Wash rents repeat. There's no passion coming out sticking up. For me giving my money to this program and that is an issue that I have with that.

01:27:19.87
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, the whole thing just feels. It's super frustrating to me and and I've not going to rehash my argument on them. But 1 of the thing go ahead. No no, no go ahead I was gonna dovetail.

01:27:24.90
Zach
Well another issue sorry go ahead. Evan who one one of the other things is and I don't know if you saw this but on this committee that selected all the teams. There's not 1 single representative from the Acc.

01:28:05.73
redwhitepodcast
Right? So yeah I did see that I saw at least saw the people were talking about. There's no representation for the Acc and ah like how do you let that happen. How does that happen? ah.

01:28:05.22
Zach
Yeah I I don't know because from top to bottom. The Acc is the best conference in baseball this year yeah from from top to bottom.

01:28:40.79
redwhitepodcast
I was gonna say yeah they're at least 1 of the deepest conferences right top to bottom. Yeah.

01:28:42.54
Zach
Absolutely it is the best conference in baseball this year I was texted that same uc buddy a couple weeks back I said man the Acc just top to bottom like they're just chewing each other up and spittting each other out I said you know it's hard to kind of get a pinpoint on where everybody is I said it would not surprise me. For 4 Acc teams to make it to Omaha. It would not surprise me one bit and I don't know you know I haven't looked at the full bracket I I don't give a damn about a bracket this year after what happened on Monday you know, but I think the acc is going to make some noise in the ncwa this year I don't think you know just completely.

01:29:39.89
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:29:55.26
Zach
My opinion I don't think anybody's touching Tennessee um, with the talent that they have and the the year that they're putting together but it would not surprise me one bit to see as long as they don't get matched up as long as Acc Teams don't get matched up against each other in super regional play. It wouldn't surprise me to see 4 teams from the Acc in Omaha. Um. And and you know maybe even None wouldn't surprise me at all. Ah you know, but to to not have some type of representation on that committee from the best conference in baseball. You. That's a serious lack of leadership on somebody's part. That's a serious lack of accountability on somebody's part. Um, you know that's you think the scc doesn't have a representative on the football selection committee you know so.

01:31:35.85
redwhitepodcast
Right? Yeah, right? exactly and that's and that's it like that's we want just want a fair shot That's I mean that's it and I want somebody to say hey this is not right and they're like oh well boo's working in the background.

01:31:35.24
Zach
That's another.

01:31:50.72
Zach
Oh. Yeah I want him to work in the all the come up here and work I Want to see it. You know.

01:32:14.55
redwhitepodcast
How do I know that right? Oh before? yeah you know and and that's the thing with state fans too is that we had. We've had such terrible leadership for such a long time that we're not going to give you the benefit of doubt that people are like well he's got a good reputation.

01:32:30.94
Zach
So.

01:32:53.45
redwhitepodcast
I don't know there. We had Lee Fowler and Todd Turner as our athletic directors right? like show me something connect with us right? Debbie I wasn't perfect but that she definitely got that part of it and I think this is just another opportunity where boo can.

01:32:46.74
Zach
Now.

01:33:02.84
Zach
Absolutely.

01:33:28.19
redwhitepodcast
Connect with us and said he've probably put out another video talking to Chancellor Woodson that nobody's going to watch and you're just it's it's super super frustrat.

01:33:24.84
Zach
Yeah, and it's pointless I mean if you look at the last year of state baseball and what all they could have capitalized on which they have in some way. They've got some donations for the stadium and whatnot. But last year you know there should have been emails going out state got sent home June what? Twenty eighth

01:34:13.47
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:34:04.66
Zach
From omaha there should have been emails going out by July fourth of a place to donate specifically to baseball stadium enhancements. Nothing really happened then all of a sudden you hear rumblings if you can donate here at this time and all this stuff. And everything started to fade and everything started to fade and then state put up a decent year obviously worthy enough of an and ncw tournament bid but that fire and that you know that that connection that I mean you know state became obviously everybody called them America's team last year when they were in Omaha.

01:35:19.35
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

01:35:13.82
Zach
And even even more so when and ncw sent them home. You know when you have when you have another player at the college world series on a different team hitting a home run. Ah, in the college world series like in the championship round and rounding none base and throwing up the wolf sign. You know the Mississippi State player rounds first base and I mean dude strike while the iron is hot you know and and we boob complete boo has.

01:36:10.23
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:36:21.23
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:36:22.26
Zach
Completely dropped the ball when it comes to Nc State Baseball completely dropped the ball.

01:36:52.41
redwhitepodcast
It's funny. We're just on a deb asked. She just put out a tweet on Sunday may None this is what was projected did any writer journalist predict Wolf pack would be left out. Cannot find 1 and she posted the d 1 baseball's field of 64 projection yeah like that's.

01:36:54.62
Zach
No, there was not 1

01:37:25.79
redwhitepodcast
Why is she doing this right? like.

01:37:13.40
Zach
But yeah, that's booze job. Why and boo tweeting that did you see the thing that somebody hacked his account and he supposedly did tweet. Did you see that.

01:37:42.49
redwhitepodcast
Ah, yeah, so that is hilarious like.

01:37:38.86
Zach
Ah, what it say is said just woke up had a dream I won another a d of the year award where we headed you know talking about the baseball team but we everybody on Twitter was like stuff. What are you talking about? man man.

01:38:07.90
redwhitepodcast
Yep.

01:38:20.91
redwhitepodcast
Like the a claim claimed it was hacked that that's the the new. Ah, the new excuse Now you time something you do something stupid. Oh was me I was hacked. Yeah, ah, we'll see about that and what the other one I wanted to talk about.

01:38:18.48
Zach
Yeah, yeah.

01:38:29.80
Zach
All right.

01:39:00.67
redwhitepodcast
We get snubbed. Not only are we good team but we have one of the most exciting players in college baseball and a name that everybody knows Tommy white and as of the last two days the Tommy white transfer rumors are flying.

01:39:19.92
Zach
Ah.

01:39:37.17
redwhitepodcast
Tommy White you know wants. He's homesick tommy why it's Maddie didn't get to play none base tommy white you know I I I would I don't know what to think at this point I know it started out as a rumor and there was no. You know, um, there was nothing to it and even the and I guys that we talked to Hayes Lancaster pack of wolves said that you know Tommy white turned down their their deal because his agent said he gets enough national deals.

01:40:32.54
Zach
Ah.

01:40:51.27
redwhitepodcast
To me. We talked about earlier that they're offering Tommy white money. A non-exclusive deal so he doesn't have to turn down anybody else he can still take other deals all he had to do was tweet about the pack of wolves and he turns it down. It's a bad sign to me man that ah.

01:41:14.28
Zach
Red flag.

01:41:30.63
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, red flag for sure I don't know what is gonna happen to this fan base if Tommy white transfers.

01:41:44.34
Zach
To me it. It doesn't the only the only way I can justify him transferring would be if he is to transfer to a Juco which would allow him to go into the Mlb draft a year earlier um

01:41:57.41
redwhitepodcast
Like it would be a terrible move to I think.

01:42:22.22
Zach
He has I Just it doesn't make sense in my mind for him I mean you know? Okay, maybe he's homesick. Well let's just do what Carolina does okay all of our really good players. Let's buy their mommy and daddy houses and give their mommy jobs at the dental school or whatever. Let's just do what they do So his parents can come move up here with us. Let's just do what you know.

01:43:03.33
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, seriously yeah.

01:43:02.18
Zach
Um, yeah, seriously I'm I'm not joking. You know why? not? and um, it's it's I can't it doesn't make sense in my head for him to transfer to another 4 year institution play for two more years when he has created the brand that he has created at state. The the you know the the following that he has created. Um, it didn't seem like to me after the pit game on Saturday night. They interviewed Tommy and a event the acc broadcast did or whatever channel it was on. And it didn't seem to me that there was any bad blood between av and tommy so you know people talking about old Tommy's mad because he didn't get to play none base or whatever you know this that or the other that's all just speculation at this point. Um and it just it doesn't it doesn't make sense. But. Again as a state fan, you've come to just expect things to happen that don't make any sense so you know I've heard the rumors are that Florida state's after him hard you know which if you transfer from state to Florida state who not only is in your conference but is in your division and who you're fighting up against for.

01:45:15.49
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:45:31.72
Zach
You know a kind of division title every year um if that was to happen. He's gonna have some bruises walking out of dope next year when they come to visit you know he's gonna he'd be getting earhole.

01:46:03.90
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I talked to a former player who wanted to remain nameless but I asked about the situation and he said careerize he has nothing to gain by ripping up another league. Only downside, it's it's only a downside if he backsides a bit. He's king of the acc if he sticks around and then I asked him about you know what about going to juko he said it's not good move. He hits 15 bombs and bats two ninety five and his draft stock plummets because you'd have the production you have to put up at that level.

01:46:36.12
Zach
Ah.

01:46:52.74
Zach
The.

01:47:15.37
redwhitepodcast
Would be you know astronomical and he said homesick is the only thing that makes sense makes any sense even though that's the dumbest reason guy is going to be a top round pick and spend 15 years traveling around the country playing baseball not anywhere near his home. So the whole thing sounds ridiculous to me like there.

01:47:34.70
Zach
I agree with you? Yeah, you know and I don't disagree with whoever the former player is you know he brought up some good points there about if he you know if he does go Ju go and does backside. Let's see gets injured and.

01:47:54.47
redwhitepodcast
There's more to the story somewhere.

01:48:12.68
Zach
You know swing isn't what it was this year messes up his timing. Whatever it is and he he doesn't put up the number he he would be expected to put up better numbers at juco versus what he just did this year. You know nobody who understands the game of faces expecting him to come back next year and put up 27 home runs again.

01:48:59.27
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:48:51.68
Zach
It's not gonna happen I'm sorry state fans. It's it's not you know if he hits fifteen next year that's ah that's a good year because he's gonna get walked and they're gonna junk ball him to death and it's gonna be up to yeah, it's gonna yeah and I mean and I don't mean just junk ball they're gonna junk ball in.

01:49:22.25
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, who's gonna pitch to him right? Well you be going to be a moron to pitch all.

01:49:26.32
Zach
You know, two feet off the plate trying to get him to chase unless he's protected by you know people by somebody who's a good hitter in front of him and a good hitter behind him. Um, and so if he thinks he gets a lot of intentional walks now go to Juco you know.

01:49:45.37
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:50:04.82
Zach
And then again on going further down that point if he transfers to ah to acc school or you know a bigger name baseball school where his the lights are even more magnified on him and he and he only hits eighteen home runs next year you know but most people that's a good year but his perception is gonna take a hit there. Um, you know or it might not be a huge hit. But it's gonna take a hit. Um I just I agree with you. It doesn't make sense. He's eighteen I get the homesick thing especially you know if he's been around his home. You know all the all his life and then we went to img um, but you know that that's something that just it'll pass with time and so being homesick is None year old's a lot different than being homesick as a you know None year old ball player or whatever. Um, making millions. You know you can wipe your tears with your none but you know I just I agree with you. It doesn't it doesn't make sense for the only thing that makes sense is if he is which I see he's a confident guy which he should be.

01:52:06.83
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:52:27.80
Zach
And it doesn't make sense for him to do anything other than transfer to a juco believing that he can put up equal or better numbers at that Juco and then go pro after next year which you know even if he has a so a backslide. He's still gonna go in the top 3 or 4 rounds just because of his age and his and his. But he's done this year you know he'll still go still go high on a draft but hey other than that it just it doesn't add up doesn't make sense.

01:53:39.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it doesn't make sense that he would also the other part of his. He's frustrated didn't get to play in the field they put him in the field plays None base and gets hurt like you know, straight away is so I don't know man to me the whole situation stinks.

01:53:45.24
Zach
Yes, there.

01:54:19.23
redwhitepodcast
Um'm not gonna say Florida say is tampering but I wouldn't be surprised that they're offering if they offer him 7 figures or something you know I just don't and state's not gonna say it's not gonna do that right? We're not gonna have that not gonna put that kind of money out there. But the fact that he turned down our n ni to me.

01:54:18.40
Zach
Oh yeah.

01:54:58.29
redwhitepodcast
When I was told that yesterday I kind of raising an eyebrows like huh that's kind of strange. Why would you turn down basically free money for putting out some tweets.

01:54:55.58
Zach
Maybe he is just such an ups down upstanding young man that he went to our n I o and said I'd rather you give it to this guy or something like that. Yeah I'd rather I'd rather you give it to Josh hood.

01:55:27.37
redwhitepodcast
I mean I hope so I would love. Yeah I would love to be wrong there.

01:55:29.56
Zach
That he can come back next year and hit still hit behind me and hit grand slams when the number 8 national seed decides to intentionally walk me and we beat their ass for the None time you're talking to Uvc fan you know and so who knows.

01:55:55.15
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:56:03.18
Zach
You know it's all speculation I Hope he doesn't leave because of state fans. Love him, you know and I hope he I hope he feels that.

01:56:22.91
redwhitepodcast
Like yeah absolute King of the Acc if he sticks around here next year if he goes anywhere else. The conversation is not gonna be how good he is conversation can be like he left Nc State go to for state like that's and you know the conversation around it.

01:56:36.88
Zach
Um, yeah.

01:56:49.60
Zach
Yeah I mean he kept and he could car I mean well he just he captivated everybody. He got I mean I'd be sitting here watching games on Tv at night and and Lauren would go when's that guy hidden when's that guy you know I mean she she even she was paint you know.

01:57:02.31
redwhitepodcast
Is gonna be different and to me. Yeah I don't know yeah know I don't I don't know I'm going frustra.

01:57:29.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:28.22
Zach
She's paying attention to it because what he just did this year and it it was truly a remarkable thing. It's he set records you know and that's something that you don't that that that's a once in a generation type season that he just had.

01:58:04.15
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it it makes me wonder what the turmoil is around the program or we haven't heard anything from anybody on the baseball team at this point not just around him but around the snub around.

01:58:01.54
Zach
Once in the generation. Okay.

01:58:42.89
redwhitepodcast
The championship game just nothing like there's been no communication. So it makes me wonder what's going on that. There's all the stuff that's up in the air at the moment like and what else is up in there.

01:58:50.38
Zach
And see I I don't know I don't follow like current players on any you know current baseball football I just I don't do that? Um, but I saw where somebody retweeted something I think that whitaker put out today about feeling slighted. Um.

01:59:13.71
redwhitepodcast
Ah, yeah.

01:59:28.40
Zach
Or something like that. But you know event hasn't said anything. Ah you know you you haven't heard anything coming from any players or I haven't um you know on any of the message boards or on any of the social media stuff.

02:00:00.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

02:00:03.96
Zach
Regarding anything anything really you know it's been It's been radio static and just nothing and so I don't know if they all got together and decided let's take a couple days decompress everybody stay off of this. You know. Let's think about this things and then regroup come back together and regroup and see how we want to go about it. Um, you know, but there's been nothing other than former players tweeting out some things here and there what stuff.

02:00:57.21
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

02:01:18.85
redwhitepodcast
You know it's it's interesting that I'm curious what the clubhouse dynamic is with a guy like Tommy white who takes all of the limelight away from. From anybody else, not that they're really anybody else who just deserves it at this point I mean we have some good players. Whatever but you know you have a true star in in the dugout like is there any animosity towards him like ah. I don't know if you've been in that situation when in your playing days like I'm curious how that impacts you know the situation.

02:02:39.80
Zach
I Don't think in the era of and Nil you know there's no telling what the amount of stuff that he's getting but it sounds like when he gets stuff he gives it to his teammates. That's that's the what I've been hearing from multiple people is that when he gets stuff he gives it to his teammates.

02:02:58.85
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

02:03:13.30
redwhitepodcast
Oh.

02:03:19.26
Zach
And you know on the flip side of that. It's like if he's not playing your position. You don't really care because he's part of your team and he's making you win. You know if there if if there was a. A senior none baseman on the team who came in and or who was here and then Tommy white comes in and takes his spot and puts up 27 bombs then yeah, you might be a little upset about that and the amount of money he's got and the amount of merchandise he's got rolling in and all of that. But other than that you know I mean.

02:04:24.99
redwhitepodcast
Right.

02:04:28.64
Zach
I Don't see it. So um.

02:04:44.37
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next I don't know couple weeks I got a feeling we're gonna have be having another baseball podcast here soon when when the dust settles around here because it's yeah, it's gonna be interesting. But I don't know you got anything else. Want to talk about.

02:05:13.60
Zach
Ah I think that's it I think that that covers everything for for me for tonight.

02:05:39.41
redwhitepodcast
To me. It's been I know we've talked about it quite a bit but the baseball conversation. The pod chat has grown tremendously over the last few years it's wild to see you know this many people you know, just engaging around baseball I think baseball. College baseball in general is really grown and you know state baseball thanks to Tommy White has really gotten. You know a lot of people excited. So I would really hate to see him leave. Yeah.

02:06:22.36
Zach
Yeah, and it's I agree you know and people there's people in the pod. You know they're they're asking questions and then it's fun to talk about these things and then to see you know when you. When you're discussing with other people I think this would work I think that would work and then to see it actually work and you know it's like me in the in the middle back side I go eight I go ape over that man I love it. It just and you and it and it gives you you see the results. You know you see the results and last year with the run that they had helped grow it for state fans this year with Tommy helped grow it again with state fans. It's continuing to grow you know and so it's it's a good thing. Overall for the program. Um, but we're not capitalizing on it the way that we should.

02:08:27.97
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I agree I agree well Zach thanks as always for your baseball knowledge on the pod and and in the chat we've learned a lot over the year and I think we will be talking more baseball here soon even though the season is over.

02:08:31.74
Zach
Of.

02:08:50.90
Zach
Yeah, it sounds good man just let me know and then we got football coming up. Hopefully I'm just in my mind I'm like how can the Nc double a.

02:09:07.57
redwhitepodcast
Unfortunately soon. Yeah.

02:09:19.12
Zach
And that's another thing hey man you know maybe Buddha wouldn't say anything he's chair of the football playoff committee this year. Maybe you know he's not trying to rock that boat.

02:09:41.77
redwhitepodcast
You know I've I've somebody else had mentioned that too like he's not wasting his I don't know what's the right word like yeah, right, He's not wasting his bullets on you know a dead baseball season.

02:09:50.66
Zach
Chips. He's not playing his chips yet you know? yeah. And.

02:10:18.49
redwhitepodcast
He's saving it for some sort of who knows what what could happen like trying to put us in the playoff I don't know what the you know.

02:10:23.34
Zach
He's saving it for getting us in the playoff for having to convince everybody that we'll playoff worthy after we're 13 and no after Devin Leary throws for five thousand yards to get him the heisman and for aunt smith to be Acc Rookie of the year after he catches 20 touchdowns.

02:10:45.23
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

02:11:03.49
redwhitepodcast
Let's go let's go Aunt Smith there were ah we might have some bets going on Ant Smith's production and and going on the je. So yeah I can't wait I'm in on it. Let's go Aunt Smith but

02:10:57.66
Zach
I'm talking to the pod chat right? there.

02:11:37.17
redwhitepodcast
As always Zach. Thanks for joining. Thanks for listening y'all so support the pod and talk to yall next time. Go pack.

02:11:35.84
Zach
Go pat.