Ep 312 - James Henderson on 2023 Football and More - Part 1

James joins the Red White Pod again to talk:

What to expect in 2023 from NC State Football

Biggest strengths and weaknesses of this year's team

Armstrong vs Morris

o/u 6.5 win total

NC State moving to the SEC

Recruiting in an NIL & Transfer Portal World and how is NC State positioned

Why he wants NC State to be Creighton

As James and I do when we get talking NC State, we went on for nearly 2 hours. The second half of the pod will be posted tomorrow.

Poorly Done AI Transcript

00:21.98
redwhitepodcast
All right folks we are back with another just red and white podcast I'm your host Evan here with my man special guest as always I feel very privileged to have him on here. It's the high royalty of NCStateAthletics

00:35.54
James Henderson
Ah, you go now. Good man I needs your producer I say that time and time again. The music is just on point. Let hook me up who did it whoever did it hook me up I Need a guy like that.

00:37.56
redwhitepodcast
Got him off the driving range James Henderson Ips inside pack sports how you doing James.

00:50.96
redwhitepodcast
John John St's scream mad right? producing and mood. But how you been James good. Yeah, this mark good Tenn lines colon. Yeah no.

00:52.95
James Henderson
So I like it. Yeah there you good I need to talk to John hey give me some music man sounds good. Good good. How about you stay busy stay on the course good tan I see the tan I see the hair line tan. Its all look good. Yeah there you go.

01:09.54
redwhitepodcast
Solid watch 10 yeah trying to not don't worry I don't wear a glove. No no original it. Yeah all well we we've been chatting. We've been texting over the last I don't know forever. But.

01:11.60
James Henderson
Glove you got a glove 10 still got the glove 10 ah forgot man I forgot you you won those guys you can do it without the gloves. That's unbelievable man here you go.

01:27.93
redwhitepodcast
This last couple of weeks you like we I say we need to we need to record this. Let's let's talk about this but before we get into specifically money and stuff our ansy state recruiting just picked up. Ah rosner the rice rice rudgers rice which which one is it.

01:28.81
James Henderson
Um, a.

01:34.41
James Henderson
And.

01:43.70
James Henderson
Um, rice rice. Yep.

01:46.48
redwhitepodcast
Right? Wide Receiver What's what's your take on him.

01:51.24
James Henderson
You know I mean I think if you can get a guy like that in July you you do it right? I mean Eight hundred yards receiving last year 10 touchdowns. Um, when you look at statewide receiver room which I'm sure we'll talk about I mean if you believe in the upside, that's 1 thing but you still want to have somebody that's proven. He could do something. And um I think with him is is interesting and again I don't know how familiar are with his background but he's this will be his eighth year of college right? And yeah, yeah.

02:13.42
redwhitepodcast
yeah yeah I saw somebody said that they googled him and his Linkedin profile came up I don't know who that one that was pretty fun I was like yeah, that's true.

02:22.76
James Henderson
And the crazy the crazy thing about it is so he's played 7 seasons. He's been injured for four so he's missed 4 seasons due to injury and into 3 he's played he's played 1 jujuco season and 2 it rice. He's been all conference are all american so I kind of view it like insy states getting a guy where. Yeah I'm not I mean you you hate to say this. He's either probably not playing or he's going to be really good for right? I mean that's kind of what he's been He's either been hurt or he's been a star for whoever he's played with so when you get to July you can you can kind of you know, throw that for that dart out there and and I think it's a good get.

02:44.88
redwhitepodcast
Or seemed real good. If.

03:01.70
redwhitepodcast
Who's your who do you comp him to of past statewide receivers or Acc wide receivers for anybody who's who's your comparable.

03:10.79
James Henderson
Ah, it's a good question. Um he you so I asked him that when I interviewed him and he went with Mike Evans now again, he's not saying he's an Nfl player. Yeah, you know an Nfl yeah probably hall of famer but I get why he said that he's six five he's fast

03:18.79
redwhitepodcast
Right.

03:27.11
James Henderson
You know, big jump ball target I mean that's the type of player he is um in c state I mean maybe you could say Devin Carter I just think he's more explosive. You know when you look at his a dot numbers. You look at his yards after the catch you look at his yards per out run. I mean there's more I think quick twitch athleticism there than Carter but similar profile I mean big physical guy. He can throw the ball up to.

03:45.44
redwhitepodcast
Right.

03:53.77
redwhitepodcast
I Hope he's more. Um, yeah, yeah.

03:54.93
James Henderson
Well he is I mean and that's kind of what I'm saying is I mean like I've already you know I mean Devin Carter has been a good player for rizy state. That's why I hate giving to Devin Carter comp because you know we look at the forget but I mean you know if he gives it's all going to come back to opportunity.

04:02.79
redwhitepodcast
I know? Yeah yeah. Right.

04:12.81
James Henderson
I talk about this with all the receivers I don't know where you're at on this. Um I feel like I'm I'm the only person out there who's not scared to death of Nc State Wide receiver room I think everybody just assumes state has nobody that can catch the football and and I don't believe that I mean I think they've got guys I think you need to give them opportunity and you need to. Pepper them with targets and you need to pick guys and go with them. You can't be you know I mean what was it last year you had to Zaya paviion playing game where he's getting the same amount of snaps as Devin Carter I mean are we serious here. Really.

04:42.14
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I think that states's got enough talent if you just look at like recruiting rankings right? There's enough talent there at the wide receiver room but you know Puerto ru's highly rated guy coming in. You really, you don't know what you're gonna get out of him. Was he been behind fair had been able get in the field. You know the the wide receiver rotations are more of a question to me than the actual wide receivers like Julian Gray everybody knows he's an he's an athlete but what can he do if he's given more time at wide receiver.

04:59.59
James Henderson
Then.

05:13.69
James Henderson
Exactly yeah.

05:17.90
redwhitepodcast
I don't I just I don't think anybody knows and so I get the skepticism from it. But at the same time you know there is there. There are some players there. Um you know Timman's showed and in a little amount of time he's had um you know conceptions had a great spring by all accounts right? I mean there's there's guys that can play I think. Ah, Rosner's being a big body is what we've been missing right? They didn't they didn't really have the the big wide receiver that they've relied on so much now I was kind of looking forward to not having that guy and seeing what we would do if we put a lot of speed on the field because I think that's where state has been lacking.

05:39.90
James Henderson
No.

05:55.64
redwhitepodcast
So to speak. They just haven't had a lot of speed. But now they have guys that can move but how do you get a whole bunch of slot guys on the field. That's that's kind of the question for me. Yeah.

06:01.53
James Henderson
Just got to you got to play them. You have to play them. You know and and and what I mean by play them is I want to feature guys I don't want to play 8 receivers. You know? yeah one of the one of the things that I and and I say this and and I mean this in all serious I don't think.

06:09.61
redwhitepodcast
Right? yeah.

06:19.62
James Henderson
I'm not trying to knock eli drink which as a as a head coach. Okay, but the reason he got the opportunity or big reason he got the opportunity he did at at app state is the success he had with his skill position players I mean you go back and look at his 3 years at Ny State Ryan Finley allconence na hem Hines Jalen Samuels all conference Kelvin Horman Jacoby myyers all conference why because he featured those guys Kelvin Harman was getting 120 targets a season. Well you give somebody hundred and twenty targets I'm not I'm a bright I'm I'm not the brightest they air gonna catch a lot of ballss right? there go there will probably put some numbers up to make them be you. You know? and.

06:50.48
redwhitepodcast
So.

06:57.36
James Henderson
We're Goingnna think they're very good whether they're very good or not. They're going to put numbers up and so you lose you because I think that's the thing I was having a discussion with a guy this morning we were talking about the offenses and and I wanted to he made a comment cause um I was kind of making the same point where it was like hey if you just pick guys and go with them. We're gonna all of a sudden think you've got good receivers at Iny State and and the pushback I got was well I think we're smarter than that back in 21 you know, um, we had a really good offense and nobody really stood out but everybody thinks Tim Beck's not good.

07:32.38
James Henderson
Right? Like a lot of people don't aren't Tim Beck fans even though in 21 Devin Leary did enough to be Preseason Acc player to year to follow a year and why is that why do we look at the receiver room because you you had all these guys splitting up snap splitting up targets not being featured and it's just different ways you can do it. But I kind of like the ah the drinkwoods approach because it makes us sleep good at night because we think we have really good players you understand I mean by that like I mean there's multiple ways you could do it. You can share to wealth which is what Tim Beck did Tim Beck featured he threw to his running backs. He threw to his tight ends. He threw to 5 or 6 or 7 different receivers.

07:59.25
redwhitepodcast
So.

08:10.00
James Henderson
You still had a good offense but you didn't have a star I think we as fans and and those who cover teams We want a star because we think it means we have really really good players and you look at what drink was did if you go back to doing that this year. You're gonna have some guys put up numbers and you're gonna have some quote unquote stars again.

08:30.62
redwhitepodcast
So is Kelvin Harmon just a product of getting 120 catches or passes starting his way or is he a legit star.

08:40.97
James Henderson
I mean I you know well Kelvin Harmer was a 6 round draft pick Jacoby Myers went undrafted jacobys still in lead plan Kelvin was a 6 round draft pick I mean both of those guys don't profile as elite level athletes. Um.

08:48.82
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

08:58.53
James Henderson
You know the guys we're talking about you know I think it's ah it's is weird I I wish drinkwoods would have stayed in 2019 because we could have seen a Mecca Mezzy in that system get featured right and get peppered and see how he would look.

09:10.44
redwhitepodcast
Here.

09:16.91
James Henderson
Coming on the heels of those 2 guys. But it's just different philosophies and that's kind of what I'm saying is like I think you're going like if you go and look at Robert and n's track record the last six years I don't care who the who the what team he's been on. Somebody's come out of nowhere to have a breakout season at receiver.

09:17.31
redwhitepodcast
Right.

09:34.46
James Henderson
And I think if I remember correctly I think over the last six years he's had 6 different guys lead his team in receiving you know a ron day Gaston last year had 3 catches going into last season for Syracuse. No one. No one knew who like he's torell two minutess. There's no media member nationally talking about was talking about a ron day Gaston going into the year

09:38.46
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

09:46.44
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

09:53.66
James Henderson
I mean you go back to look at his numbers of Virginia hassain dubotore yanna I mean I'm must start naming. Awesome. Some rich some you know some keyonte Thompson like come on man. Yeah yeah, I'm screw struggling with him a little bit but.

10:04.24
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I Just want to hear you pronounce all these names.

10:11.36
James Henderson
The point is he'll I think he's gonna find a guy or 2 and we know the offense you're gonna throw to football I mean you look at what he did with Brendan Armstrong and the spring game I mean the guy threw the ball 28 times in a rainstorm in a half. So I mean you.

10:17.14
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

10:22.58
redwhitepodcast
Right? So is it where where do you lie then like is it, you know everybody you know a lot of your people a lot of the I yes guys will say you know we got trust the coaches and I think you have the people second guessing it.

10:30.86
James Henderson
Yeah.

10:39.20
redwhitepodcast
Not just because they want to star but because you hear about how good Julian Gray has been or how good puer Ricks Rooks has been and they you know in the little they've been on the field they've you know they they've done pretty well and same thing with tol timmans so like why haven't those guys been more heavily featured like what's the do we not trust.

10:47.91
James Henderson
Yeah, yeah.

10:54.75
James Henderson
Well, it's well it's tough because like I just said in 21 you had a really good offense like I mean I'm ignoring last year you played 4 quarterbacks like we can. We can be mad about last year if you want to and and want to fire 10 back if we want to you played 4 quarterbacks.

10:57.78
redwhitepodcast
Ah, just Fordu ushakaes.

11:11.34
James Henderson
Like I mean go go look at what Robert and I did at Syracuse when Garret Schrader got hurt. It wasn't good it that was quarterback to and I'm mean I like Robert and I I'm not trying to knock him I'm just trying to put perspective to the fact that in c state played 4 quarterbacks last year like he so using last year as some sort of indication of the offense I always thought that was crazy.

11:13.15
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

11:23.48
redwhitepodcast
Right.

11:30.98
James Henderson
Like I mean I'm and again I'm not a big Tim Beck supporter I've I've given you things I don't like about what they do offensively under 10 back. But when you say trust the coaches I mean I think the pushback would have been from what we're talking about well in 21 we were really good offensively Devin Leary did have a big time season now we just spread the.

11:35.00
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

11:49.80
James Henderson
The the wealth we just did it differently you know because I mean think about how you look at it right? like if you're not happy with the way we're saying we want to see it your argument would be why are we only throwing to 2 or 3 guys that might be easy to defend right? like the counter to that would be.

12:00.50
redwhitepodcast
My.

12:07.41
James Henderson
And under Tim Beck maybe you're saying it's harder to defend because you're not focused on 1 or 2 guys going into each game so I get it I get from a coaching standpoint why state may have played that way I don't personally believe a ni is going to do the same I think he's going to be a little bit more like drink witz because if you look at his track record. He's he's had start I mean I think like I said I mean what? what did he have the last six years has somebody with over nine hundred yards receiving every single year I don't think state had won the last 3 seasons over nine hundred yards receiving and and so I I don't know who the guy's going to be.

12:32.11
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

12:38.21
redwhitepodcast
No yeah, we haven't.

12:45.79
James Henderson
It might be Bradley Rosner you know might be twirl diamondmons. It might be Julian Gray it may be he on the same who knows but but I'm fairly confident that when you look at him doing and not to mention you get Armstrong back who the last time he played he had him he threw for he average over four hundred passing yards per game like.

12:48.24
redwhitepodcast
Annie.

13:05.69
James Henderson
It's amazing to me that we're trying to have a quarterback controversy here I'm I'm kind of maybe you can get a little perspective to that I don't understand that whole deal. Okay, 21 for state.

13:13.89
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, ah, we'll get there I wanted to dig a little bit more on this because you know if you look back at 21 and I think this is where people's yeah yeah, year's i' about good offenses right? where you know we'll we'll throw away last year but we're going back to the wide receivers right? People are looking forward.

13:25.39
James Henderson
Ah, the minute.

13:31.59
redwhitepodcast
We haven't had a dynamic loud receiver and that's you know you go back to 21 state was forty eighth in explosive plays. So that's twenty plus yards. It's not very good when you're behind Florida Atlantic Ecu charlotte U A B Toledo all right that's that's a tough. A tough hill to climb there. How do you How do we defend that right? and that's that's why people are looking for hey these guys are okay but we need a game changer right? Do we not did we not have it on the roster or do we now have it on the roster.

13:58.56
James Henderson
Well well, it's just there's different. There's different ways in how you measure offense I mean state was also second in the Acc and touchdowns per game at you know passing touchdowns per game. Um, you know state was. Second or third excuse me third in the league and in Cubi rating I mean there are different. There are different metrics. You can like you want to talk about being more explosive I think some of that's a product of the offense like I I don't.

14:16.96
redwhitepodcast
Ah.

14:23.88
redwhitepodcast
What's also directly tied to the wide Receiver. So right I mean or directly tied to I guess a routes are running. Yeah.

14:26.56
James Henderson
I just think a lot of that to me is opportunity and this opportunity like I mean I think we could be explosive if we were just like I mean I mean go back and watch a meca mezzie's tape last year how many or in twenty one I I'm pretty sure he was effective throwing the ball vertically to him we state only would do it 2 or 3 times a game.

14:43.41
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I mean he only averaged 1313 a catch right? I mean it's not getting super not getting very vertical. Yeah yeah.

14:45.61
James Henderson
If that yeah I mean Anthony Smiths another guy I mean go look at his a dot you know I mean he I think was 28 he per havers depth of Target. But when you're only doing it 4 or 5 like so if we're talking explosive I think state's going to be more explosive in this system. It's just a different way. You try to attack I mean you know the reason I said 21 was an effective offensive year I mean Devin Leary had 35 touchdowns and five interceptions. I think he was the only quarterback in in the conference to do that I think in the a in Acc Play he led all quarterbacks and touchdowns fewest interceptions qb rating and a second and yards per game. That's pretty good offense to me I mean you know how you get there is you know, kind of how you get there.

15:26.90
redwhitepodcast
I.

15:39.60
James Henderson
Um, yeah, he had 27 touchdowns 3 interceptions in conference play average Eight point two yards per attempt which was third in the league. Um, yeah I mean I think is is cube rating was number 1

15:43.81
redwhitepodcast
The right.

15:58.46
James Henderson
So it's just a different way of how you trying to do it and I'm not saying like I agree with the way Beck did it. But I think they they were more reliant on Leary's ability to make progressions find the right receiver to get the ball to go through reads not focus on one guy. And you know again I would have preferred him to throw to bottle mecca mezzie 10 times for game. He'd have been all Acc you agree I think so yeah I mean you but you need work you need opportunity I mean like like again I'm looking at these numbers right now for Virginia.

16:27.36
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I mean probably he was good enough. Um, yeah.

16:36.62
James Henderson
And 2017 who is alama days the keyus 85 Eight Ninety five and five twenty eighteen alama days za keyus okay I was wrong. He did do it back to back ninety three tens one thousand sixty yards and non touchdowns.

16:43.84
redwhitepodcast
Right.

16:55.17
James Henderson
2019 Hassein Dubois 75 1000 sixty two yards six touchdowns they had 3 guys that year have over 74 receptions in the season seventy s brother and that was the 19 season with um I think that was Bryce perkins that wasn't even Brendan Armstrong if I remember correct that was perkins.

17:03.58
redwhitepodcast
Right.

17:13.83
James Henderson
Last year and then 19 and in 2020, you know Billy Kemp 21 Dontavian Wix keton time. Yeah I mean it's it's just you know I think you're going to see state focus on a couple of got you know, 2 or 3 receivers give them more targets. With the volume you're gonna have in this offense I mean they average 45 pass attempts per game and 21 with Armstrong quarterback I mean that like if he throws the ball 40 time 45 times a game this year I'm putting money on state having an allconfer receiver.

17:36.66
redwhitepodcast
Right.

17:46.58
redwhitepodcast
Okay I like that I don't know I mean I would assume the offense is going to be better and different and yes I mean that would make more sense to me I'm trying to find while we're talking a Mezzy's target numbers.

17:49.23
James Henderson
Yeah, you agree you you agree you disagree I mean like.

18:03.37
James Henderson
I.

18:06.24
redwhitepodcast
For twenty one I I can't seem to find it. He's only got one two gaining at 2 games that year with more than double digit. Um double digit receptions and a lot of them were even close. He's got 2 3 4 1 3 5 6 one like yeah.

18:07.81
James Henderson
I can find him. Mr yeah.

18:17.55
James Henderson
Um, and.

18:20.56
James Henderson
Oh yeah, it's predictives just well. You know we'll we'll have games where.

18:25.33
redwhitepodcast
So are are weekss are reeks expecting it to be and so I mean bring it back I think that's why folks always want more want to be featured more right because you don't. You don't have a game breaker on offense or you haven't had a game Mike I'm as he was good. He's not going to blow by. He's not going to just um.

18:49.47
James Henderson
But I mean I think that's harm and and I think that's myers I don't think they classify as game breakers physically yeah Myers ran yeah myers ran a 4 7 and he went on drafted. You know.

18:57.39
redwhitepodcast
Well Harman wasn't that's why he didn't that's why he dropped so far in the draft right? It's 40 times a slow. He was a jumpball guy. Yeah yeah, but those those guys were also not stretching the field deep I mean there are thrown a lot of jump balls to um. Ah, you know, bringing it back. What you said about leary right? They they use him to spread the ball around but isn't that counterintuitive because his best asset was being able to throw the ball deep like I think that's where we got some disconnect with with how people perceived that offense and you know. Whether we like Tim Beck or not right. It's up to feel like.

19:30.33
James Henderson
Well I mean like to me what I'm wanting to watch this year and kind of related to a ni is what type of a leash is he going to have as an offensive coordinator and we're Goingnna have a really good answer to how much of what we saw from Tim Beck was Tim Beck how much of it was Dave dorm protecting his defense.

19:41.20
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

19:50.30
James Henderson
Ah, personally don't believe it was that I think and I again I don't have a problem with the way state played a lot. You know you go back to last year everybody was mad about these Carolina Game you got up twenty one seven and you just started running the ball and and they're mad that Devin Leary wasn't throwing at every play. Okay, you won the game. I mean I think I went back and looked ever since states kind of used that formula last five years that was going all the way back to Ryan Finley to start with Ryan Finley and and and drink with I want to say the only game they've lost where they had ah had a more than a touchdown lead in the fourth quarter was wake forest in 2018 where they've quote unquote blown a game by playing.

20:18.80
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

20:24.80
James Henderson
Non aggressives because when they you go and look when they've built leads. They just run the football shorten a game.

20:28.75
redwhitepodcast
Well vice versa Good How many times do they get behind and can't catch up because they're not explosive think that's.

20:34.30
James Henderson
Well I mean I think that's that's the nature for almost. That's the nature for most teams I mean I think most teams that fall behind by 2 touchdowns or whatever is that they they struggle winning those games like it's the kind of the same argument I guarantee most teams that are leading by a touchdown or 2 at half time or.

20:42.83
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

20:52.42
James Henderson
They go on the win game more often than not like I'm not saying I believe I agree with the way state was playing I'm just saying I think that stunted some of what they were trying to do statistically offensively like I mean we've had day you know we've interviewed dorn I can't remember what game it was last year where he made the comment. It might have been after the yukon game. He just kind of said. Yeah we ran. We ran the game away in the fourth quarter I just like well.

21:12.17
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I mean we get I get that and especially in games like that that you mentioned the ecu game that ecu game in my opinion broke Devin Leary hit that interceptioning through in that game got in his head and I think you didn't see the same.

21:28.67
James Henderson
But.

21:29.56
redwhitepodcast
Loose gunslinger that you saw before that and and I don't know if the the coaches reined him in there or if that was him but I felt like he changed after that play in that game my crazy.

21:42.21
James Henderson
But do you think it but was but I just don't I ah um I think I get what you're saying I'm trying I was trying to pull up. Um, so I had a mezzy in 21 with 89 targets and he caught 60 balls. Um.

21:59.32
James Henderson
That season this is from pf f um, but um I get what you're saying like I guess my whole deal with leary last year was I didn't really believe that and Leary had a bad year. Um, you know when I look at his numbers from last season.

22:06.53
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

22:11.71
redwhitepodcast
Sorry, hit the button back.

22:19.16
James Henderson
You know against East Carolina you know like I said I mean he their state was 21 points at half time I mean you go and look the ukon game is hilarious to me score 44 through for over three hundred yards we didn't care because we thought you can suck and then all of a sudden they're good. So I don't know does that game count as a bad game or not a game or.

22:36.48
redwhitepodcast
I Mean they still sucked. They're not on. They're not on state level. Yeah.

22:40.21
James Henderson
Yeah I mean they went they went 6 and 6 um Texas tech texas tech for example is the one that gets me I mean state one a game 27 fourteen he had a touchdown fumbled at the goal line by um, muscle's name demi sumo.

22:54.45
redwhitepodcast
That.

22:56.38
James Henderson
He had another touchdown called back on an illegal formation that they ended up running in he they had another touchdown where um I think sumo had another drop or something now on ah on a bomb or something so they scored 27 points against Texas Tech should have scored 40 something would we feel better.

23:09.27
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

23:15.97
James Henderson
You know like and yeah, no no doubt no doubt and again like hold the ball Devon Lee he has a touchdown like he. It's the balls out of his hands at that point you cross the goal line. You get a touchdown he fumbled it into the in insult you know, then you play Clemson on the road. Okay I mean.

23:16.58
redwhitepodcast
Yes, yes, absolutely.

23:26.80
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

23:35.54
James Henderson
28 for 47 two forty five in a touchdown I mean like I mean I think if we go back and look at Clemson's numbers at home last year I mean most teams didn't go in there and blow them away. Um, and then the wake for then the Florida State Game he played a half where he got hurt started getting and going and he was done for the rest of the year like I don't know man like it's hard for me to evaluate leary on that because you go back to 21. He started slow also and kind of got going once conference play really picked up and I think state would have I think he would have done that this past year but again that's just me projecting because I think definitely is really good.

24:03.55
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

24:13.43
James Henderson
And I think we'll see that this year. Um, but.

24:13.96
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how Kentucky uses him I I firm me believe that we didn't use him in the the right manner use him in yeah, throw the wall.

24:21.42
James Henderson
Oh I agree I mean I would have been more aggressive with leary but we've seen under door under door even when you go back to Finley like when they get a touchdown or 2 touchdown lead at halftime they run the football.

24:33.26
redwhitepodcast
Hey I get it.

24:35.74
James Henderson
So everybody expecting state to put up the like the the the East Carolina game I mean I think state had they threw the ball believe 26 times in the first half they got up 28 they threw it 9 times in the second half he finished with 33 pass attempts.

24:42.63
redwhitepodcast
Right.

24:47.91
redwhitepodcast
Oh that's the that's the problem right? because they they couldn't move the ball. They couldn't do anything successfully in that game. They didn't scoreney point and they should have lost that game right? is this the way. Yeah.

24:54.20
James Henderson
But that that was another game that well I guess we didn't make the argument they should have they also that was also the game where they had to they fumbled the ball to go line on second down by Jordan Houston and then they had a fort they had and they came back. They had another 4 downunds down there. They couldn't get the ends on I mean you get any one of those in and you you probably.

25:05.68
redwhitepodcast
Right? yeah.

25:14.50
James Henderson
We're not even having this discussion. You know I mean that's kind of what I'm saying there was some like flukey stuff going on there where it was like okay um, but but again, no doubt.

25:20.77
redwhitepodcast
But there's always going to be fluky stuff I mean you've just mentioned like 6 different things so that's the reason why you don't take your foot off the gas if you can score if you have an offense and you have a quarterback who can stretch the field like that I mean.

25:34.68
James Henderson
That I agree I miss a says the same man. It's the same reason is the same reason on fourth and goal when you're up 7 you go for it and they don't get it I didn't think that was conservative. You know I mean they they they went for it.

25:36.98
redwhitepodcast
It's college football in 2023 now you got to score points right? I mean you score in 28 a game. Not good enough. Yeah I mean sure he's had this There's been some moments I just think the overall. If. You don't if you're not explosive then you set yourself up for situations like ecu where you're rely on them missing a kick to win a game that shouldn't should have been out of hand early I mean you go, you're up 21 and you're score 21 points at halftime Twenty one seven I think it was at halftime and.

26:14.90
James Henderson
Ah.

26:15.70
redwhitepodcast
You could have absolutely just demoralized that program by scoring 2 more times straight out of the gate and you had those opportunities but we came out and just tried to salt it away on the ground and couldn't do anything and just we haven't been a good running team and that's that's part of the problem with you know, getting conservative and doing that is that you're not a. Dominant running team I think numbers you can you can paint the picture that there they've been okay, but and so that's the that's that's the problem here. You know, bringing it back to the wide receivers. Well yeah, right.

26:35.94
James Henderson
No I mean I don't think they've been a good running team either. I mean I think some of that's tied to leeary but but but when you continue to win when you continue to win those games. You're not states not changing it.. That's the problem is like. They're still seeing the win like they care about the win. They don't care about scoring 50 like again I'm not saying that's right or wrong I think they care about just winning the game and.

26:55.33
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, they do I think State fans and this is in fans fans in general for everybody. Want to win more than just the games that they should win right? I mean think that's you you want to give yourself a chance to win.

27:10.00
James Henderson
Yeah, no doubt.

27:14.43
redwhitepodcast
More of the the bigger games and I think that's where the disconnect comes with being explosive I think you look at a team like and I hate to do it Carolina who has been explosive the last few few years while it's also put them in some positions. They've also it's also them yeah is it's they've.

27:25.64
James Henderson
Um, yeah, multiple ways you can look at it.

27:33.21
redwhitepodcast
Also gave them some some opportunities and I know there's a balance there and I think that's where states wide receivers have not been good enough and I don't know if it's the system and Tim Beck trying to spread around or not having the speed. But I'd like to see this year. With an I and a whole bunch of slot guys and now one six five guy let's let's get the ball in their hands more often and let's get some more speed on the field. You know, just this the rotations have been more of a concern to me than the actual scheme the way in the usage of how they're using you know, like you said provolone and.

28:06.55
James Henderson
Well I left.

28:08.10
redwhitepodcast
Ah, listening and some of these other guys that just like I Just don't see it with them and they keep trying to force them into these rotations for whatever reason.

28:15.15
James Henderson
Well I mean if we're being honest like and again I'm not no disrespect to anybody I'm about to mention I have to get that out the way because I don't just in case somebody hears that I don't want to disrespect anybody but you would not think Devin Carter they are Thomas even a mecca Mezzy Porter Rooks

28:21.19
redwhitepodcast
I Love this. Let's go.

28:32.49
James Henderson
Or key on the saying none of them blow you away. Athletically like we're you know we this week. We had some numbers released or given to us I can pull these up here while we're talking on Nc State I Guess they did some recent speed testing. We put this on our message boards.

28:44.23
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

28:47.91
James Henderson
Electronic times and and Smith 4 3 5 Julian Gray 4 3 7 terrall tim minutess 4 our four 0 michael allen for 4 3 and then you had jordan houston 4 4 6 that's the offensive guys that we were giving I mean that's. You know the first 4 names I mentioned anthony smith julian great terrell timmans and michael allen those guys are all were all freshmen or sophomores last year and got very little run because of the names I mentioned to ahead to you a minute ago now and I don't know if part of that states like seniority deal.

29:15.77
redwhitepodcast
Right? yes.

29:21.40
James Henderson
Where they want to play they're they're going with older guys I don't think Robert and I is gonna do that because case in point look at what we just talked about with a ron day Gaston this past year he goes toyracuse his first year his featured guys a red shirt freshman receiver or slash tied in.

29:29.30
redwhitepodcast
Right. Yeah.

29:37.66
James Henderson
Like this his system in the way he play screams a guy like Terrell Timmons or Anthony Smith or Julian Gray breaking out because of that athleticism and that's the year I agree with you like I I don't have I mean.

29:48.49
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

29:52.47
James Henderson
I don't really I wouldn't have a problem playing 1 of porter rooks and key on the sayingine and Devin Carter while you're also playing that they they are Thomas but you can't play all four of those guys like that's the issue I have.

30:01.97
redwhitepodcast
A greek right.

30:05.85
James Henderson
Like I was saying all last year you can't put Anthony Smith out there to run 40 go routes a game to help your run game out just run up sideline dude you can't like I he I don't know I mean we do that on that right? I mean just it's not instead they put joiah pavilion out there.

30:09.82
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

30:16.81
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah I understand.

30:21.70
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, and that's what that's what I want to see this year I think that's that's what I want to see the usage change more speed. You have more speed as I guess older but let's put them on the field. Let's give let's give some of these guys a chance and that's.

30:25.19
James Henderson
And any yeah, ah.

30:35.00
James Henderson
And.

30:40.31
redwhitepodcast
It'll be interesting to see how a I uses that if that was a back I know I personally give a lot of grief to Joker Phillips about those rotations I don't know if it's his call or be's call and its packages and all that stuff but I want to see some different usages here and I'm hoping a nih brings that change.

30:55.47
James Henderson
Well well one of the interesting things is and first of all I do want to say Anthony Smith played 4 games. He missed most of the last year at injury. So I don't want to just make it like he was sitting on the sidelines not playing but it is interesting that Ana is I think he was. He's working with the inside receivers so to kind of to your point.

31:02.77
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

31:09.90
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

31:14.10
James Henderson
Maybe he's got more of a say this year in the rotations at the receiver because you know Beck's just quarterbacks coach you know he was quarterbacks coach oc so that could play a role is he could have more of an impact on who's getting on the field and and I'm with you and the other thing that's going to help is you like 1 of the things I also didn't like that that that Tim Beck did a lot of was the.

31:17.61
redwhitepodcast
Right.

31:33.30
James Henderson
Let's get up to the line of scrimmage and look at me stuff. Check Check Check I Feel like we're doing I feel like we're checking a podcast here. Check Check with me check with me right? whereas an eye. It's up tempo. Well when you play up Tempo you play No huddle you're playing. You're not subbing. So.

31:36.64
redwhitepodcast
Ah, yeah, yeah.

31:46.38
redwhitepodcast
Right.

31:49.94
James Henderson
By that process alone. You're gonna be getting keeping guides on the field more right? So I think I think that plays a role in it. Also that we're gonna see more of now the question is gonna be who are those first 3 or 4 guys gonna be but I think you're generally gonna see those guys out there getting more snaps getting more targets.

31:53.61
redwhitepodcast
Out.

32:06.43
redwhitepodcast
Who are those first 4 guys gonna be give him to me give him to me who do you think come on I know you I know you got some who you got.

32:10.25
James Henderson
Don't know you know do you know you? you tell me man I'm I'm worried I'm worried it might be somebody. We don't want it to be so I don't want to give anybody out there that I mean I think well well I will say this you bring Bradley Rosner in your playing him.

32:19.88
redwhitepodcast
The Kari collins. Um.

32:25.27
redwhitepodcast
It sure seems like it right? yeah.

32:28.87
James Henderson
You're planning right? So I think he's gonna get every opportunity to be out there and I think we were talking. Um, if we were talking about this own air or all air. But you know you look at what he's done I mean when he's been out there. He's played and he's produced and so I think that's a comfort level. You can get with because really, that's.

32:40.25
redwhitepodcast
Right? yeah.

32:46.92
James Henderson
That's what you're missing at that position if it were me I would be trying to play Anthony Smith like he's the guy I'm a biggest fan of I'm the biggest fan of because when you look at his numbers his average depth of targets been ridiculous like just the fact and he's has he had a couple drops. Sure.

32:58.75
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

33:05.50
James Henderson
I don't care I mean like I don't care Bradley Bradley Rosner had 2 games last year he had 3 drops in each of those gangs it happens. But if I have a guy who every time you watch Anthony Smith play he's getting 2 steps on the defender deep.

33:05.16
redwhitepodcast
Give more chances. Yeah, right.

33:21.22
James Henderson
And you pair him with a quarterback like Brendan Armstrong who's not afraid to throw deep which is another thing you know that I think we need to mention is the fact that he may have some turnovers because he tries the score like I like guys who want to score awful like I don't turn it over some.

33:23.95
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

33:33.52
redwhitepodcast
Up Yeah, all for if you're gonna turn it over make sure. Yeah, it's if you if you're throwing. Yeah right I don't want ducks cross the middle throw them deep if you're gonna turn them over that's ah I'm in for that.

33:38.31
James Henderson
Turned it over some um I All if I don't want two interceptions. Yeah I mean why just don't want and I think part of that. That's also part of what we're talking about earlier where is like the the low interceptions is that a product of really really good quarterback players that conservatively.

33:56.91
redwhitepodcast
It's conservative calling and playing and I think that's yeah, give it to me.

33:59.42
James Henderson
Brendan Armstrong's going to be aggressive. So yeah I mean if he throws 2 touch 2 interceptions but he gives us 5 touchdowns I'll live with the 2 interceptions you know? and so I think pairing a guy like Smith with Armstrong.

34:06.64
redwhitepodcast
Right.

34:14.67
James Henderson
Or pairing Toill Timmans who like we just thought about ran a 4 4 electronic wit Armstrong and just throw it. It aggressively vertically, that's your upside you're looking for and that states's way I think to win this to win this league this year because I think they have a chance. There's a percentage chance there where it is.

34:29.94
redwhitepodcast
I agree. Ah the nobody scares me I mean everybody's on the fsu bandway. They don't scare me but ah, my listeners will know that I've been an ants Smith stand for a while I'd love for him to get on the field more I and I think that's exactly wise you have a guy that can stretch the feel we haven't had a.

34:33.91
James Henderson
Now now.

34:46.17
James Henderson
Um, trust.

34:47.60
redwhitepodcast
Ah, speed guy that can change the game since Naim Hans like we haven't has one of those players and they are so critical. He saw what happened when he goes down. They's so critical to the success of an offense and the run game and being able to be dynamic. We have speed and some of these guys. Let's see what let's see him get in the field I'm just.

34:49.26
James Henderson
Yeah.

35:06.45
redwhitepodcast
I'm excited to see Timmons Gray Aunt Smith all any of those guys in in space with the ball like let them go man, let them work. That's that's what they do, they run let them run. Yeah.

35:17.64
James Henderson
Yeah I mean you you you have to play those guys now. Will you put a a possession guy with him Probably you know I get that. But if you're gonna play the way he's played or he's coach and that's all out vertical. You're gonna play those guys in my opinion.

35:32.85
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, I'm excited to see what it does for the running game like I know you and I have most talked about this before state should have run from more of ah a 4 widespread to open up the field a little bit more I mean they're gonna have to now I think with with.

35:41.67
James Henderson
Um, now.

35:50.00
redwhitepodcast
But makeup of this team and I I would love to see what that's gonna do for Michael Allen Jordan Houston and whoever else is gonna be toting the rock there.

35:55.85
James Henderson
Well um I mean I think the other thing that's gonna help is you've got a running quarterback. You know I've I've told people last year I mean it just I mean you watch college football now I mean when when Devin Leary runs his own read are you are you respecting it are you respecting it like.

36:00.39
redwhitepodcast
That too.

36:07.91
redwhitepodcast
And that terrible. It's so bad. Loud again usage. Yeah terrible.

36:14.15
James Henderson
And then people are mad at the offensive line because an unblocked defensive in runs down the running back from the from the backside. It's like no shit he's running the guy down he don't care to the quarterbacks out not keeping the ball whereas Armstrong. You know who's a guy who's had a five hundred yard receive rushing season. He will keep the you've got to respect that now watch how that impacts your running game.

36:21.15
redwhitepodcast
Right.

36:28.88
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

36:33.47
James Henderson
You know the fact that your quarterback can get you 30 yards rushing in a game versus minus eighteen because you took 3 sacks and didn't rush for anything I mean folks don't understand it. That's a forty eight yard difference in your running game.

36:45.40
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

36:48.92
James Henderson
And it doesn't sound like a lot but you tell me 1052 in different. Yeah.

36:53.82
redwhitepodcast
It's a lot different and it's ah it's the threat of it is probably even more. You're not gonna you can't measure how that's gonna impact it right? I mean just having that we saw we saw that with with Mj when he came in he was a little bit more dynamic of a runner. He's still not ah like a pure runner but he's a good runner and he was willing to.

37:00.28
James Henderson
Um, right.

37:07.49
James Henderson
Um, if.

37:11.14
redwhitepodcast
Take some risks throwing it down the field I think that combination really stresses a defense more um you you went back to yeah exactly.

37:17.44
James Henderson
I mean you look to Carolina with hey with how and me I mean like if we talk about their ah offense I don't really think they run the ball great from a scheme standpoint with their running backs and the different things they do but they incorporate their quarterbacks in the run game those guys scramble.

37:32.25
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

37:32.34
James Henderson
Because they can run on on broken down plays. You're not getting that from a pocket passer I mean again, there's there's a lot of things I liked about Devin Leary last three years but Bren Armstrong's Goingnna be able to tuck the ball and run and pick stuff up. So your russian numbers are goingnna all of a sudden be better. We're gonna think oh my god our offensive line coach is great.

37:39.46
redwhitepodcast
Right? yeah.

37:50.52
James Henderson
And again, no offense to Garrett two j I'm not trying to say's not great I'm just saying is there's some tweaks that have been made personnel wise and scheme wise where one plus one equals 2 man I mean it is you know it's not like I said not rocket science I mean you quarterback runs it helps your run game.

38:05.79
redwhitepodcast
I mean Carolina was really good run game when they had 2 Nfl running backs on their roster right? I mean that's it makes you look a lot better and a and or a quarterback who could run right in? Yeah yeah.

38:12.58
James Henderson
Yeah, right? And and how I mean you know like like they brought into fight what they brought in like 3 4 star running backs last year and and I mean it yeah and it was but and it was Drake may running it still you know? um.

38:21.57
redwhitepodcast
They were terrible. You know them all at all. Yeah, you brought it up Cubi Controversy Why why do people think Mj should play. Do you want to know the answer to that.

38:30.26
James Henderson
So yeah.

38:36.59
James Henderson
Please please give me the answer to that yes I would love to know because like again I again I'm I'm not I like Mj Morris as a prospect he's he was a true freshman last year who unfortunately had nc states to be 2 season home winning streak snap to Boston College at home.

38:43.88
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

38:51.41
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

38:55.13
James Henderson
That's my that's my but that's my most recent memory of Mj Morage playing scoring 21 and losing was a 21 and losing to Boston College at home on senior day.

39:02.27
redwhitepodcast
A terrible bostonss in college ah people are the upside right? I think people are between mj's upside and the questionable um the questions between Brent Armstrong and 21 and brenan Armstrong in 22

39:09.25
James Henderson
Okay.

39:15.90
James Henderson
Um, art.

39:18.71
James Henderson
Then.

39:21.39
redwhitepodcast
Right? And I know it's the easy thing is hey didn't have his offensive coordinator I mean that's that's it right? People are just saying we know what Brendan Armstrong can do is he going to? yeah the virginia schedule was terrible. The defense was terrible. They had to throw it at a bazillion times. That's why he put up video game numbers.

39:32.42
James Henderson
And.

39:38.90
redwhitepodcast
Where is he going to fall is he going to be 2022 armstrong to be 2021 Armstrong and and.

39:42.13
James Henderson
So okay, so so to answer that let me answer that for you. So what is the downside. So we we think we know the downside of Armstrong. What's the downside of MJMorris

39:52.61
redwhitepodcast
Boston College game I mean we don't really know off off of an extended period time. We just know isolated. Yeah.

39:58.80
James Henderson
Big because because for me when I think upside I ah I'm gonna give you a list here of guys in the acc who've averaged over four hundred yards passing per game in a single season if we're talking upside.

40:12.80
redwhitepodcast
Okay.

40:15.45
James Henderson
That list goes Brendan Armstrong

40:21.17
James Henderson
I mean the upside 405 passing yards per game in a single season dirty touchdown in 11 games passing. He also rushed for five hundred yards that season.

40:25.46
redwhitepodcast
Ah, but yeah, yeah.

40:37.40
redwhitepodcast
Are the attempt numbers gonna be same like are we gonna be in the same balmore. Yeah, like yeah.

40:39.38
James Henderson
I don't I don't I'm just saying but but I'm saying upside like you can't get more upside than the best passing season ever in the league. So it's correct and I'm not saying you're I'm not saying you're wrong. Yeah I'm not saying you're wrong about Mj I just think it's weird. We like.

40:51.76
redwhitepodcast
That's fair I mean I'm not my target I think arms. Yeah.

40:59.25
James Henderson
Not saying you I'm saying in general fans. We believe there's this upside with Mj that doesn't also exist with Armstrong.

40:59.38
redwhitepodcast
I know yeah the people saw the difference between what when Devin Leary was arguably not playing great midseason last year when he got hurt and then what Mj was able to come in and do.

41:11.25
James Henderson
Okay, let me.

41:19.30
redwhitepodcast
I Think people got that got people excited that offense looked more fun more more vertical. All these things I don't know I don't I you know I'm a terrible Historian I have to go back and schedule it's the terrible schedules. Yeah.

41:24.17
James Henderson
Which games are we referring to so he can't he came in against so I'm not pulling up right now he came in against Virginia Tech A came in a came in against Virginia Tech he played against Wake forest who snunk on defense and.

41:39.38
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

41:42.73
James Henderson
And then he had the Boston College debacle where to be fair. Um I'm giving him j a pass on that personally because I think he was dinged up and midway through that game right? So again I don't want to hold I'm not holding boston college against him. But.

41:45.87
redwhitepodcast
He was hurt. Yeah, he was definitely hurt. Yeah.

41:55.95
James Henderson
You know when you look at his numbers from last year to one. He only started one full game that was wake forest. Yeah, he had 210 passing yards and 3 touchdowns no interceptions. Um, which is a good number good game but like I just said I gave you the list of the quarterbacks who for a season.

41:59.57
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

42:14.70
James Henderson
And this league have thrown for over four and a yards per game and so if I'm playing a guy based on upside the guy I'm playing is Armstrong because I think we we've seen him have that and so I don't have I don't have a problem with I think mj hopefully forensy state he's gonna be there started for 3 years

42:18.57
redwhitepodcast
I'm with you. Threat.

42:32.59
redwhitepodcast
Right.

42:34.41
James Henderson
Read shirt this year because he should have red shirted last year that's the whole thing that frustrates me about the mj morris deal is when he was recruited. He was never expected to play last year you had Devin Leary who that was goingnna be his showcase year for the Nfl you had Jack Chambers as a backup Devin was gonna play the whole season.

42:37.49
redwhitepodcast
Correct.

42:43.96
redwhitepodcast
Right.

42:53.96
James Henderson
You never had to play your backup a except for spot duty you could have red shirted Morris. He'd come into this year what would we be saying about Mj Morris would we even be asking if why is he not starting if you brought in Brendan Armstrong in that scenario probably not he we would have never even seen him he see what I'm saying and so.

43:04.94
redwhitepodcast
No, probably not. Yeah yeah, yeah.

43:12.51
James Henderson
It kind of sped up his his product. The the process for him to where I think it might be a little I don't want to say unfair. But I think if you're in c state ideally you let him red shirt you let him learn this system. Armstrong's got 1 year and then your hope is you see enough from him in the fall to where. You don't feel like you got to go in the portal and get another starter because that's the other reason that's the other reason I don't feel like you have to play Mj because of the worry of him leaving because you can always just get a portal guy like the portal has changed the way you got to approach the quarterback position. You can't approach the quarterback position I mean you don't have to like.

43:35.88
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I mean ah yeah.

43:45.88
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

43:51.91
James Henderson
Appease young players. You don't have to so like I add but I think Mj understands it I mean I think it seems like he you know he didn't leave right I mean there was there's speculation. He could enter the portal after spring and got a nice truck via NIll it looked like.

44:04.97
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah, ah the.

44:09.39
James Henderson
Right? Hang in the congratulations on that. Um you know you put out a really good good tweet thanking everybody for the and Nil opportunities and here we are um.

44:18.58
redwhitepodcast
Yep, Love it.

44:20.83
James Henderson
But like I I guess said I don't I think of some people feel I'm not an mj fan I like Mj a lotman I think he has a lot of upside I think he could be a star. We saw that last year but my biggest worry for nsy state going into this year is you play game number 1 and Brendan Armstrong has a bad series and you've got people calling for Mj Morris

44:37.22
redwhitepodcast
Oh it's gonna happen. You know it's gonna happen if if Armstrong has any kind of rust you know it's gonna happen and and and I misspoke it was when chambers came in and chambers was like well the hell is this guy playing and then Mj comes in. You're like oh well, we should been playing this guy right? It wasn't leery. It was.

44:48.87
James Henderson
Right? Well and and to be fair, the problem there the whole argument because I asked people about that and they said well James you know Mj was getting third string snaps you know in fall camp how how much have we seen from mj.

44:55.69
redwhitepodcast
Chambers.

44:59.93
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, right.

45:05.32
James Henderson
Probably not a lot you know cause you had leary getting reps you had chambers getting the backup reps so it makes sense that they hadn't played him but I will say I mean I think you're right I think um, you know the push to play him's going to be. It's going to be there with I Just I don't know man I think that it's.

45:11.14
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

45:24.37
James Henderson
So one of those things where I will say this they are lent they announced today. The guys going to the acc kickoff did you see that and and 8 and white but they sent they're sending Armstrong that should tell folks something you know.

45:29.23
redwhitepodcast
Yeah Wilson Brandon Armstrong and forgot who though a whitego. Yeah, how many guys have been to AcKickoff with 2 different teams.

45:43.65
James Henderson
Mean like yeah, probably well I imagine more is gonna start happening to right? Um, but I mean I think that tells you where state's at with Armstrong I mean I think they're fully committed to women and I love it because like I said when I watch Armstrong play.

45:48.47
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

46:01.60
James Henderson
This is a guy who has boom potential. My um, the way I think Nc State Wins The Acc is you put an explosive explosive offense with Tony Gibson and so yeah, so like the way they played against Virginia.

46:09.30
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, agreed, that's what we've all wanted to see. Yeah yeah.

46:18.21
James Henderson
They didn't have Gibson's defense give them Gibson's defense to see how he gains Virginia wins they win to coastal. They win to coastal that year so I want them playing aggressive with arms. So now you may have some interceptions that's fine and all but go out and try and score 40 points and then see if teams can catch you.

46:21.60
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

46:31.54
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it.

46:36.56
James Henderson
If teams can catch you going against that defense. That's the to me that's the formula and I hope forensy state sake that Doran realized that because there have been some I'd rehear some buzz behind the scenes again. It never had to play out this way because costal made the decision to go and Hire Tim Beck away

46:43.91
redwhitepodcast
Agree.

46:54.83
James Henderson
But I heard some buzz that there was going to be a change at oc anyways I don't know if you heard that or not. But if so maybe Doran just said. Okay, we got to go in a different direction with the way we play offensively and that's if if that's true then I'm encouraged because I do so like I so I keep saying ah the worry is are you going to steal play.

46:56.29
redwhitepodcast
Right.

47:12.67
James Henderson
Conservative and to your defense hope not because I don't know if you could I don't know if you're good enough even defensively this year towin it that way I think youve if your state you gotta look at it realtically and say we may have a drop off de defense defensively might be small but you're gonna have a little bit of a drop off so you gotta go out and be a little more.

47:17.75
redwhitepodcast
Yeah. Try.

47:30.70
James Henderson
Aggressive offensively.

47:30.74
redwhitepodcast
I think I something I always give and I did hear a little bit about that I think you and I talked about that before and Dave even acknowledged it in his presser is that they need to change their philosophy and blah blah blah I remember I remember all that later on I give dave a lot of credit albeit he's slower. And adapting than a lot of us would like but he has adapted right? And if you look at it. It started on the defensive side when he went from the Huxville Base Ben but don't break nonsense to now Tony Gibson who's more built the cover spreads and a little bit more aggressive.

47:52.17
James Henderson
Um.

47:58.25
James Henderson
A.

48:05.60
redwhitepodcast
Like he got there eventually It took him a couple years ser him a couple years longer than some of would a liked but he got there and I think that's um, my hope is that he's got there with the offense too and he realized hey we've got to be more dynamic on offense now the the recruiting side of it still will. Has to play out that way you still need the athletes to to fill in there. But I'm with you if we have a dynamic offense paired with what we can do on defense I think this is a real opportunity for state. Um I Brendan Armstrong shouldn't face any real stress I don't think until. He's got the Notre Dame game second week which should be fine. You know it'll be It'll be interesting to see what he what he does there and what they are that'll be his real test after that he should settle back in I guess Louisville at home. But you know there's no real threatening defense. Until he gets to Clemson post to buy you know so he should get if he can get through the Notre Dame game without those people calling for him. It's gonna be hard for them to say we want Mj because I got a feeling the schedule sets up favorably for him to perform. Well.

49:01.68
James Henderson
Right.

49:13.44
James Henderson
Yeah, and and my whole and I'm so frustrated with the Morris deal because I you know I did a something I think it was after the wake forest game and one of our features where I was talking about how okay this is a real opportunity for Morris because you had I think what 4 games left after wake forest where he could have just blown everything out of the water. I'm the guy going into next year and then you go out against Boston College you get injured you lose that game and you're out for the rest of the season and so like to me the whole push for Morris is just I'm surprised by it because the sample size is so small like if you would have finished out that year strong and state would have went out and got Brendan Armstrong hell I would have.

49:37.21
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

49:50.69
James Henderson
Seen the the but the reason for it I would have been like okay I get it. But I mean he's got to win over wake under his belt. Okay I mean no just I guess I mean we and we tend to beat wake at home I mean we yeah I know folks I Know we don't like to say that but state tends to win that game at home.

49:59.20
redwhitepodcast
That's not great I mean that's good for state I mean I'm just saying like but.

50:07.32
redwhitepodcast
Ah, tends to well he was yeah he was hurt and that gets uss more over the back thing he was hurt and you start running you know, naked bootles for a quarterback who's already limping and clearly hurt at.

50:09.90
James Henderson
You know I mean yeah, you lost the boss to college like I like kind of pushed it a little bit down.

50:24.43
James Henderson
Yeah I mean I like like I get it I get it I think mj shown some. But if if the argument is upside like the upside to me is Armstrong hit like if you told if I told you right now Brendan Armstrong gives you 90% of what he did at Virginia in 21

50:25.30
redwhitepodcast
Whatever, that's that's using that that horse. Ne. Yeah I think it's the I. Yeah, yeah.

50:43.81
redwhitepodcast
Right? right? I agree. Yeah.

50:44.40
James Henderson
You might pick state the window lead and I don't but and I don't know if if Morris can give you 90% of that I don't know I haven't seen it.

50:55.93
redwhitepodcast
What what? if you get 22 Armstrong

51:02.23
James Henderson
You get 22 Armstrong I don't I don't okay, well okay so I don't know if I should be saying this but I guess I can I still have um I still talk a little bit with um yeah.

51:04.59
redwhitepodcast
7 touching on so options.

51:16.10
redwhitepodcast
Your your boy a certain spot for at Virginia. Okay, you can leave at that.

51:21.68
James Henderson
Yeah, and um, you know they I don't think I think they thought Brendan Armstrong played well relative to the way they asked him to play like Tony Tony L A was in his first year at virginia they didn't go in wanting to replicate what Virginia was doing offensively.

51:32.18
redwhitepodcast
Right.

51:37.42
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

51:39.76
James Henderson
They went in wanting to be better, defensively wanting to be be able to run to football more and like we can. We can knock what he did at Virginia all you all we want and I'm not saying you're wrong. He did not have a good year at Virginia he was asked to play completely different but he's just asked to play completely different I mean he threw the ball 32 times a game but I just told you it was 45

51:51.83
redwhitepodcast
Right.

51:58.46
redwhitepodcast
The.

51:59.73
James Henderson
You know the year before completely different system. You know I think 3 of those receivers were not even there that played last year so it wasn't really the same setup. They had 5 new offensive linemen I was also told that apparently they led the country in drops last year the country. And drops like you know I'm mad we would be if our receiver correlet the country and drops. Yeah, and so like all of that I think added up to that I just I'd be more surprised if that happened than if he was better than he was at Virginia.

52:21.43
redwhitepodcast
Oh oh yeah, that would be fun. That'll be fun.

52:37.28
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I agree.

52:38.30
James Henderson
And 21 honestly because I just think you put him back with a ni and in that system the way you know you look at what I mean has a eye had a bad year man. We talked about this last or I think we did a preseason pod. How bad did we talk about Gary Schrader right and And

52:51.98
redwhitepodcast
Oh yeah I mean bum. Yeah bum level. Yeah.

52:57.77
James Henderson
The guy was competent to good.

52:59.30
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, you loved him early on the season. You're a huge Sh trader fan. But but yeah.

53:03.58
James Henderson
Um, yeah, and I mean I still loved him I mean like the fact that he actually had a competent season I mean you know he he 17 touchdowns 7 interceptions. He ran for 9 touchdowns 4 and in fifty yards I mean you got 26 touchdowns from Garret Schrader

53:17.90
redwhitepodcast
Right.

53:21.22
James Henderson
I mean you know eight point three yards per attempt 65% completion percentage I don't think he I didn't I seriously would have doubted. He could have completed 65% against no defense and then that's what I'm saying is like.

53:31.50
redwhitepodcast
I Still think I don't know how we did it? Yeah yeah I agree. Yeah.

53:38.84
James Henderson
That was gary schrader I just I really think the the Virginia thing is a little over and again we'll see I don't I don't expect him to be 21 Armstrong either you know I don't I mean I think that's even an outlier but can he be close to that. Can he be 3500 passing yards.

53:46.54
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

53:55.35
James Henderson
30 touchdowns like if he can give you that that might be enough.

53:59.23
redwhitepodcast
It's I think it will I mean it's it's Armstrong having those up and down years and it's Morris coming in and just being infinitely better than Jack Chambers was and the ah offense looking like. More dynamic. All those things kind of play together is why people are like I kind of want the mj and then you know Armstrong is a left hander throws a weird looking pass I think it's all these things. Yeah yeah.

54:21.26
James Henderson
Well I think it's also the freshman the freshman one's a afraid we we you know how it is man I mean I don't do politics but every the people that do politics I always hear the hope stuff from him like I hope this next guy's gonna change all this stuff and all this you know it is. It's the same thing at quarterback I hope I hope this freshman's gonna be great.

54:34.26
redwhitepodcast
Nothing ever changed it? yeah.

54:40.92
James Henderson
And be my guy for 4 years I just don't worry about that anymore with a transfer portal like I don't care what great is one to one that way every one year one year

54:43.77
redwhitepodcast
Well, what? yeah what stood out to me in looking at you know when when we had this discussion and who do who do I want to play Armstrong's yards for temp numbers ten yards Nine yards nine yards six yards.

55:03.36
redwhitepodcast
So that was his first four years and then his last year right? and then Garret Schrader's the exact opposite he went five yards six yards eight and a half yards so there's a clear correlation between offins a coordinator style scheme. However, you want to frame it to 1 ne's production going down one production's going up.

55:03.84
James Henderson
And.

55:23.32
redwhitepodcast
And I hope we see Armstrong return to some you know glory so to speak to the 2021 version of him. Yeah, these a direct correlation.

55:33.83
James Henderson
Right? I mean yeah, and for you, you know for guys that that are big on coaches I mean I think this is an example of where they are imported and um I mean like I think scheme fit and and the way you use guys Now. There's gonna be gives give and takes to all of it. Um. Got told you earlier um, go look at what the backup deal when you took schrader out the game. You know I mean there wasn't fairy dust sprinkled on that guy to where he was all of a sudden Great. You know so you still have to be able to do something I think with schrader it was the legs were so good It just he doesn't even have to be a great passor Man. He can just be competent.

55:55.15
redwhitepodcast
Right.

56:09.91
James Henderson
Because you gotta worry about him running so much. Um I feel like Armstrong will be better I'm excited about it I'm really excited about it because I mean I think like I know some folks were upset. They had a couple picks in the in the spring game I'm like man I I like the fact he threw every play.

56:14.36
redwhitepodcast
I Have to.

56:23.86
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

56:26.40
James Henderson
My hope is. That's what they do My my hope is they play that aggressive and another thing we I know I was talking about on the forum the other or on our boards recently was losing christopher done. Do you play more aggressive having more of a maybe more of a question Market kicker.

56:37.89
redwhitepodcast
Got to.

56:42.69
James Henderson
Like there were times you know this there were times it felt like state was playing for a forty five Yard field goal like you don't have to do that like fourth and four go for it. You know, fourth and three continue to try and score touchdown. So I think if the aggressive mentalityities there I really think they got a chance.

56:48.52
redwhitepodcast
Yep, yeah.

56:59.67
redwhitepodcast
So the over under when six and a half you're taking the over it sounds like it seems easy I do think it's slow. Yeah I agree.

57:04.43
James Henderson
Oh yeah, I mean that you don't think that's low I mean again, boring something. Could you know, boring catastrophic injuries like if you lose yeah and I'm personally like even if like even if Armstrong got injured I still think I agree I think Mj Morris will be really good. So I'm not worried about even 1 injury at the quarterback position. But I mean you know the fact that n he state won 8 games last year and they were rolling out Ben Finley no offense to Ben um, you know a beaten like he wasn't even on the radar man you know that 8.

57:38.46
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

57:42.24
James Henderson
But even on the radar and you go and win at Carolina um, you know I think six and a half it just seems really that seems really low to me. Um I was it cause I was asked about it on 1 of our recent pods we were talking about adding rosner would that change the number and I'm just like I just think that number's low. Without it I mean I don't have the scheduling for an armymy. But I mean I feel like there's what 2 or three non-conference wins. It should be there right? I mean.

58:08.71
redwhitepodcast
You can notre dame v my Virginia you should be 3 and 1 worse going through there right.

58:19.28
James Henderson
Um, yeah, and then you got the marshall game at home. Um.

58:22.43
redwhitepodcast
Louisville Marshall Duke 2 of those at home Louisville Marshall at HomeDuke's basically a home game. You don't really know what we're going get from duke this year they could decent year last year wake

58:31.55
James Henderson
Right? Clemson Miami home then you got wake at Virginia tech who some people think's the worst team in the league this year I don't know and then North Carolina at home I mean I think when I look at the schedule 1 of the things we discussed I want to get your opinion on this. Do you prefer.

58:39.47
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

58:49.97
James Henderson
Years where you have your perceived to be tougher teams at home or on the road.

58:54.78
redwhitepodcast
Who are my tougher teams Clemson.

58:56.48
James Henderson
like like I give an example so when I look at this schedule I like I put so me and Ethan had this discussion ethan took the opposite opinion of mine. So when I look at this schedule I like it because when I look in the the league I think Virginia and Virginia tech are 2 of the worst perceived teams in the league.

59:14.21
redwhitepodcast
Agreed Oh absolutely. Yeah.

59:15.85
James Henderson
I like having those games on the road because it gives you an opportunity to get a road game. He prefers having the Clemson the Miami or the Florida state whoever's the 1 2 3 team in league on the road because he's viewing it as a likely loss you understand I'm saying like how do you see it.

59:33.69
redwhitepodcast
I yeah I think Ethan's crazy I think if you look at ah you you can win those games on the road and then having Clemson at home gives you a chance to win it at home. Yeah, yeah, exactly right? You absolutely want that schedule set up the way it is where you have Clemson Miami.

59:40.57
James Henderson
Um, it's swing for deensive. Yeah, right right.

59:50.62
James Henderson
North Carolina right but right I mean you got Carolina yeah I mean you got Carolina miami Clemson Notre Dame all at home I don't want those teams on the road.

59:50.67
redwhitepodcast
Shit even Notre Dame and North Carolina I mean you have every game at home other than the wake forest who it still shouldn't be a tough game but it is what we know the history. Yeah, right? absolutely.

01:00:04.99
redwhitepodcast
No chance. No chance I Love our schedule up here. Its it's up really well for us. Yeah.

01:00:08.77
James Henderson
So right? and that's when when I look at it I'm saying six and a half with a guy like Armstrong's upside in Tony Gibson's deep. Yeah I think that's that's low to me.

01:00:22.50
redwhitepodcast
The defense should be really good I mean I I think it's going to be ah maybe not the run stopper we've had but I think it should probably be more aggressive in creating turnovers I think secondary is going to be very good linebackers. You know I mean you got to replace some guys but you still have Peyton Wilson and some other guys who have been talented. Yeah.

01:00:39.49
James Henderson
Yeah, at um, bad, you've added a couple pass rushes they like to where I mean I think the defense is going to be good I you know I was surprised by I think the number is basically not not factoring in Armstrong's upside

01:00:53.52
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:00:55.66
James Henderson
And then if you look it on paper what all Nsc State lost that people are ignoring. You're you're returning like 10 guys who so who have started for you on defense, you know it. But you did lose engle and drake and dirt and a bunch of name guys who yeah know those great players but states played a lot of guys the last couple years man. So.

01:01:00.76
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:01:08.40
redwhitepodcast
None I'm drafted. Yeah none of those guys were drafted I mean what's the biggest question mark for you on either side of the ball.

01:01:15.30
James Henderson
Yeah, right? yeah.

01:01:25.19
James Henderson
I went with um actually I got to um kicker which I talked about which again is maybe that's a cop out but hell do okay, let's go back to 2016 if all to said kickers a question Mark guy who cares I'm just saying like.

01:01:30.38
redwhitepodcast
Is yeah thinking.

01:01:37.31
redwhitepodcast
Or score 40 a game. You're not gonna eat a kicker right? We gonna.

01:01:42.62
James Henderson
Okay, um, but for me honestly I am more concerned about running back than wide receiver like like I think um and again this goes back to what I like about drink which what he did you go and look at those 3 years with drink which he featured.

01:01:47.68
redwhitepodcast
Okay, what.

01:02:02.31
James Henderson
Nahem hines and let him get going Matt days had a all Acc season under him Reggie Gaaspi had an all Acc season I mean he had a thousand yards and 18 touchdowns in a season and he got work.

01:02:13.52
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:18.92
James Henderson
And my question that the runner are they gonna continue to just rotate guys in and and will it be but but can you not go with Michael Allen can you not like yeah I mean you know I because I'm a big believer at the running back position I think.

01:02:21.55
redwhitepodcast
They don't have that many guys. Oh yeah, hunters he should be getting sixty plus percent

01:02:38.76
James Henderson
Um, there's something to getting a feel in game like getting getting you know, getting your reps getting getting going in a game to where when state was doing the rotate 1 guy every series. It's like come on man I just think that's tough to get a rhythm as a running back? Um, so.

01:02:50.50
redwhitepodcast
Terrible.

01:02:58.30
James Henderson
That's the question for me and you lose did I think did if you would have asked me if demi sumo was returning I would have said he's probably got as much upside as anybody he's gone. Um, yeah I running back to question. Do you have the difference maker there you you wanted out a few minutes ago talking about nahem. But you go back to that twenty seventeen season the pittsburgh game where he broke the long touchdown run North Carolina game where he had the 2 touchdown runs Boston College on the road I mean that game was like 1310 Bc may have been leading with five or six minutes to go. He broke a fifty yard touchdown run and it's like do you have a guy like that.

01:03:20.33
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:28.81
redwhitepodcast
He saved us? Yeah yeah.

01:03:36.80
James Henderson
Where if you're gonna win a league. You're gonna need someone to win a game or 2 for you when you're not playing well and you know I don't know I like so for me I would say I would say running back more and receivers just cause I think scheme wise receiver is gonna be fine.

01:03:51.20
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, Michael Allen and Jordan Houston both being on that fastest speed list that you said that you had like that is a little bit more reassuring to me I and I think the usage is gonna be different. They're not just going to ask Jordan Houston to run inside zone.

01:03:52.98
James Henderson
I Think they'll find somebody that they'll be fine at receiving.

01:04:00.50
James Henderson
Um, yeah.

01:04:10.56
redwhitepodcast
Right? I mean I think an eye is going to ah my hope is that a eye uses him to the best of his abilities and that is not running between Jacks and right.

01:04:18.49
James Henderson
Yeah, and also like we said adding a quarterback end to the run game I mean that's going to help the run game. You know I mean like the fact that Brendan Armstrong can go cube cubi counter or cuby draw cubi power in the goal line I mean we what have we talked about under beck at various times we've had issues with their red zone offense.

01:04:34.55
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah.

01:04:37.36
James Henderson
I mean well you didn't have a running quarterback it matters when you get in there. Can you have a guy keep the ball and you can go. You can call his number and I think I think Armstrong is going to help you there? Um, even mj if you go that route you know so I just worry like it from the position standpoint we haven't seen a guy. Like Jordan Houston's had multiple opportunities and maybe he gets another opportunity but he hadn't really done. It. You know like broke it out and um I don't know.

01:04:59.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, so my biggest inter is offensive line. Talk me off the ledge. There is the offensive line going to be Okay, serviceable better bad.

01:05:11.34
James Henderson
Um.

01:05:18.97
redwhitepodcast
Where we gonna be there. We we've lost some quality offensive lineman over the last two three seasons we brought in a couple pieces. You know now that Dylan Mcmahon's finally in his position. Um, Dawson Jeamllo you know coming in from you oregon still be pretty good.

01:05:31.17
James Henderson
Um.

01:05:37.13
redwhitepodcast
6 man for Oregon like who who who's gonna be who we got like who's who are tackle they gonna hold up.

01:05:40.95
James Henderson
Yeah I mean I think I think the big question is gonna be can Anthony Belton step up, you know he he's getting some buzz as a draft guy at left tackle. Can he kind of step into his potential I think Timothy Mckay's another guy who's played a lot for you. Derek Eson has played a lot for you. Um, you mentioned Mcmahon you mentioned jeramiow mean some of the younger guys you know is Lyndon Cooper going to find a way to get out there I mean I think um, you've got some options. But yeah I think it's a question. He knows how much of it is going to be aided by the scheme. You know this air raid system a lot of wide splits getting the ball out quicker quick vertical shots like I mean you can help your running game out of lot or your offense line out a lot with what you do schematically? Um, we talked about it with the run game like I've already told you I don't think oline's going to necessarily be better this year even though I think the run game's going to be better. You know.

01:06:17.23
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:06:31.57
redwhitepodcast
Bright.

01:06:35.27
James Henderson
And we're gonna look at it and say I mean if you're all of a sudden rushing for one hundred and fifty yards per game. We're gonna feel like the oline's better like I would go to our boards after every game last year and be like no line stinks because we're not running for for it would ever say this with icky. We're not running for a lot of yards the offensive lines think why can't well I mean because you're leaving a guy on block and he's running every playdown because they don't care about to quarterback that has nothing to do with you're running that has nothing to do with your offensive line. You know? and so I think what the way you're trying to attack is gonna help state out a little bit. But yeah, it's a question.

01:06:54.14
redwhitepodcast
You.

01:07:05.93
James Henderson
Um, even Mcmahon at center is a question you know I mean like I think they want him to play there but until you see him consistently do it. Um, you know it it it is it is a question I just think schematically they can dance around that a little bit you know at least that's my hope.

01:07:06.54
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:07:22.70
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I got some questions from ah from my folks from does James Henderson view the recruiting is a success thus far in football high school classes have gotten smaller but stated still only taking 3 to 5 guys in the portal.

01:07:25.13
James Henderson
Art.

01:07:39.62
James Henderson
Man like I'm the wrong person to ask about that because I I would give up on high school recruiting I mean like seriously the fact that that teams are are doing an Ill with high school recruits is baffling to me.

01:07:46.38
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I agree outside of a new.

01:07:55.70
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:07:57.50
James Henderson
And I know you've got to do it to some degree. You probably have to but you're talking about a guy who you have no clue if he's gonna be good or not no clue I don't care what he's ranked coming in I mean you may feel pretty good about it. But you know this I mean how many 4 or 5 star guys have we seen not pan out.

01:08:11.52
redwhitepodcast
Hey.

01:08:13.31
James Henderson
And then you've seen some guys that are 2 stars that you probably could get for free. Be really really good like you know I mean I just would be saving my NIll whatever I have and use that transfer portal or taking care of my proving guys to keep them on campus for me and so from a high school standpoint.

01:08:15.84
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:08:33.28
James Henderson
I would be you know I will I would probably throw out trying to take upside because let's be honest and this especially extends the basketball like if you can't get a gown on the court in 2 years in basketball you might as well. Not even bring him in because you would have are you're gonna already have recruited over him through the porto anyways, so.

01:08:38.80
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:49.41
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:08:52.42
James Henderson
If you can't bring a guy in that can play right away. There's no point bringing him in from high school level on the basketball sign a football I get it. It makes a little more sense, especially on the offensive line but at the skill position you know I was thinking about this the other day we were talking about some of the receivers you mentioned like porter rooks and key on thesain. Like how often does a guy like that break out like just completely break out like after you know it just feels like you and I'm sure there are outlis there. It just feels like though you generally after a guy's been on campus for you 3 years or 4 years if yeah.

01:09:12.43
redwhitepodcast
Not often.

01:09:27.10
James Henderson
Broken out. He's probably not going to especially when he's been been given opportunity. Yeah yeah, and so I just look at it for on high school recruiting is just kind of like a.

01:09:29.60
redwhitepodcast
It's just it yeah is a usage though. That's where that's the question is it usage right? Is it set up. Are they set up to break out right? I don't know.

01:09:43.85
James Henderson
I Mean you're you're going to bring some. You're gonna bring those guys in but what type should you be trying to bring in so I'm not as worried about it. Um I definitely wouldn't be investing in it from an N I standpoint because I then I don't want you to turn around and tell me in in the spring that we don't have an Io opportunities for transfers that would be.

01:09:55.10
redwhitepodcast
Um.

01:10:00.20
redwhitepodcast
Right? Yeah I Yep I do I do I agree I I want all my my lines but in the trenches to come from transfers I will take upside.

01:10:03.29
James Henderson
Just sound like well you shouldn't have done it with the high school guys you you get what I'm coming from with that like you, you know it.

01:10:18.13
redwhitepodcast
Skill positions from high school if you can land the high the high. Um, yeah, right? and then get everybody else. No not at all, not at all.

01:10:19.82
James Henderson
So yeah, if you can get a Johnson pay or you can get a Noah Rogers do it for sure. But do you do you need to bring in a do you need to bring in a 4 6 2 star receiver anymore you know, um, saved those spots for the portal.

01:10:36.13
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:10:37.63
James Henderson
Because the other thing that I think frustrates me with recruiting is there's just reception out there that everybody who's still in the portal is not good like I think there's I think I saw recently there's like 750 kids dealing the transfer portal like right now and we've got the season starting in two weeks or 2 you know, um, and and it's like I'm like well well.

01:10:45.14
redwhitepodcast
Um, hi.

01:10:51.82
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:10:57.51
James Henderson
You mean to tell me all those guys are not good now they because it's bappling to me because it's like it like I can go and find a Jalen Samuels or a bj hill or Garrett Bradbury who coming out of high school. We were told are not good.

01:11:03.15
redwhitepodcast
It's it's make a yeah and.

01:11:12.35
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:11:15.20
James Henderson
But I can't go look in that portal and find like evaluate and find somebody who can be really good for me and those guys now mind you I would imagine at this point of process. You'd agree are probably free I mean I probably free. Yeah, they can get a spot right? and they probably free like.

01:11:24.33
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, oh yeah, if they can get a spot. Yeah, they get a spot. You can get in for.

01:11:31.35
James Henderson
So when when folks are like well we can't afford everybody in port. You don't have to evaluate the portal properly if you're gonna be able to get guys for free at some point and so I would just keep those spots available. That's why I wouldn't be bringing in 20 high school kids no hell no he don't know I mean.

01:11:39.58
redwhitepodcast
In.

01:11:49.81
James Henderson
10 to 15 for me and then everything else I'm going transfer portal as you know.

01:11:50.18
redwhitepodcast
yeah yeah I can agree with that. Um, but I wanted to ask you about that I meant task just weeks ago a mucker bill came. By way of Florida Colorado is now a walk on an nc state is that a a true walk on is that an n I walk on is that I don't I mean? yeah.

01:12:09.45
James Henderson
I think it's a true walk on and again this is one of the ones who you're getting a guy at a transfer portal who is a former 4 star recruit has a walk on because he frankly didn't have nowhere to you know like there's no spots available.

01:12:17.14
redwhitepodcast
Right? Yeah right.

01:12:24.30
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:12:27.18
James Henderson
And that's part of the problem with the guys that are still in the portal. It's not necessarily to me an indication that that they're not very good. It's that there's just not a lot of spots left after te you know you think about how many guys go into the portal each year and then you're supplement them with high school kids. But I mean I think Mugabbi that to me is a very very good swing for the fences play by state you know if you're not familiar with this.

01:12:33.48
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:12:43.34
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:12:46.93
James Henderson
His background when I think his freshman year at Florida got into ah an accident um car accident got hit by a car while he was on a scooter and lost a lot of weight and he's an offensive lineman. So you know he has to put the weight back on um, went with ah Tim Brewster to to to Colorado.

01:12:48.68
redwhitepodcast
Car accent. Yep.

01:12:58.49
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:13:05.17
James Henderson
That didn't work out here in the spring I don't know what didn't work out means I don't know if that means he didn't come out with a guaranteed starting job so he decided to go back into portal I don't know but here we are you know he's he right? I mean d but but Dion brought him in I asked what I'm saying is like he was one of the group he was in that first group that he brought in and.

01:13:12.75
redwhitepodcast
Well d on kicked everybody out right? That's part of it. No no, oh okay, Hu.

01:13:24.23
James Henderson
In January um, or you know so he didn't commit to the previous Colorado staff he he committed to the current Colorado staff then went through spring ball and then chose to leave there which there were a lot of guys leaving I mean they had a tight end who was supposed to be all conference left out. So.

01:13:29.19
redwhitepodcast
Got it.

01:13:38.41
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:13:41.72
James Henderson
I don't know. But but yeah I think that's a guy you gamble on you know in the portal I give me him high school alignment or that guy now right.

01:13:46.77
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, agreeing yeah, give me that guy. Yeah, um, do you think ans stay is currently constructed constructed NILTv exposure to land any of these high end playmakers in recruiting or in the portal. Why are I not.

01:14:05.36
James Henderson
Um, I think so we were talking about the why receiver recruiting here recently you look at the last two years you've had Noah Rogers Nate Lake cock Kevin Con conception Terrell Anderson the guy Jonathan Payer Alex Taylor I think goes to me are my top 6 guys I would say you've got Jordan ship I wasn't a big jordan ship fan. Whatever um the thing about all those guys is like none of them really to me were tailorm made to go to nc state like you understand I mean by that you didn't have like this natural.

01:14:22.70
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:14:40.39
James Henderson
We should get that guy now you could say nate laycox a legacy recruit is Tennessee and what they're doing within io and state was late on him and you got Noah Rogers you got Ohio State calling you. You know you did get Kc over North Carolina um

01:14:45.98
redwhitepodcast
And we were late on him right? I mean yeah or yeah, oh.

01:14:59.65
James Henderson
You know Jonathan Paler you're right here competing competing against Scc School forum Alex Taylor North Carolina I mean I don't think there was any like guy you felt like we should get that guy you know based on whatever. Um, but then there are no layups I mean those are real prop real schools. You're competing against so.

01:15:10.45
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:15:18.34
James Henderson
but but I mean are they set up from an and ni standpoint I do think so because I don't think a lot of schools are giving high school yet to the level that maybe fans believe they are like um I've heard rumors that that there's been no and io discussions with with Jonathan Paler in South Carolina I don't know if that's true. Um. I don't again I don't know if that's true but I don't think every kid from a high school standpoint is getting a approach with ill opportunities because some schools just pick and choose like 1 rumor you know I'd heard was that like Miami for instance targets just a couple positions via and ill and out of high school and they don't recruit. They don't offer nio to anybody else.

01:15:55.20
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:15:57.26
James Henderson
Positional and so I think it might be kind of what we were talking about a way to to use your funds like how do you just you know how do you split it Up. So I think there is some some guys that if your state you can probably have a shot at if you go to them right with an and then Ill package if they're not getting approached by others. Matter finding those guys.

01:16:15.35
redwhitepodcast
How is that changed This is kind of a combo question somebody asked me how has that changed your business from covering recruiting is it more or less difficult with transfer portal and you know trying to track people you know recruitings to big stick.

01:16:20.78
James Henderson
Yep.

01:16:34.42
redwhitepodcast
You know how has how has that changed ips and over the last ten fifteen years between Peck pridede and ips for you.

01:16:41.57
James Henderson
It's made it better to me because you know this you follow it like the spring was kind of like a dead zone you know, general in general right? I mean obviously you're already moving on to the next class.

01:16:48.99
redwhitepodcast
Right? yeah.

01:16:58.69
James Henderson
Prior pre-transfer portal you were starting to look at next year's class on football side basketball all hell breaks loose now that the season's over I mean like the funnest part for me is covering basketball height basketball transfer porter recruiting given the way did like it. You just used to never have that you would have like you remember back into herb years. You'd have 1 guy that you might be bringing in.

01:17:10.78
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

01:17:17.89
James Henderson
Via the portal you know, whereas now I mean state brought in what six seven seven transfers I think that hits your business and that helps your business like I mean um.

01:17:21.53
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, could be whole new team. Every no.

01:17:31.56
James Henderson
You know I mean I'm gonna be full fully transparent with the somewhat of most profitable months we've had the last two years have been basketball recruiting via a transfer portal. Um, just because I mean that's you know it's say it's something we didn't have prior you know previously I mean so I think it's helped. Um.

01:17:37.75
redwhitepodcast
Oh nice.

01:17:44.81
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:17:50.33
James Henderson
There you know during the year it gets kind of lean there in the beginning of the year but it's always been that way like at the start of the season because you know high school recruiting kind of backs off when the season starts that hadn't changed but I yeah I think it's increased the coverage of recruiting you're just kind of looking at in a different.

01:17:56.26
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:18:01.60
redwhitepodcast
And.

01:18:05.41
James Henderson
Ah, different light I mean just adding a different layer to it.

01:18:08.97
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, all right we had. We've been dancing around it if ah I've had a few chances to bring it up but how is all this going to change when NC state goes the James Henderson plan goes all in on basketball and just becomes creton.

01:18:13.12
James Henderson
Art.

01:18:24.93
James Henderson
Well I mean like I know you're joking with me here. Um yeah, well what? what? well I will I will start by asking you this 1 simple question. Do you want to win a championship.

01:18:27.70
redwhitepodcast
Ah, ah, but this is what your this is our our conversation. The other days is we need to invest more in basketball.

01:18:38.97
redwhitepodcast
No yeah I mean of course we had 1 championship in anything.

01:18:44.21
James Henderson
Exactly and and when I sit here and see georgia tech and the great Josh Pastor winning a championship I just said Josh Passner by the way won a championship. Um Miami you know. Virginia get a Tony Bennet's great, but it's still Virginia Leonard ham Leonard Hamilton Florida state Virginia tech two years ago did they win an Acc championship I remember correctly Mike Young yeah yeah

01:19:13.89
redwhitepodcast
That yeah, they did win that year or they won the regular season or what out one of those thing. Yeah, so what? what is what a state need what does state need to invest in in basketball they haven't had.

01:19:21.88
James Henderson
Yeah, yeah.

01:19:29.29
James Henderson
Well I mean you go? Okay I'll give an example. Um, do you know who I guess documented the 2 most expensive transfer portal editions were going into last year from a basketball standpoint and this was on this was documented like.

01:19:43.00
redwhitepodcast
Ah, the Nigel pack right? the night and that don't know the second one. Okay.

01:19:45.72
James Henderson
Publicly and nor chat o mayor both for Miami what did Miami do this past year they won the acc regular season championship 15 and 5 because they bought to the 2 best transfer portal guys. They could get.

01:19:53.77
redwhitepodcast
Have no idea. Oh yeah, that's right.

01:20:05.10
James Henderson
Io and so like again I'm just saying if we want to win a title. Why do you invest in the sport everybody else tends to be investing in like because because again I don't like the comment I don't like the thought of money because again as a fan or as an alum I'm not getting any money from school.

01:20:23.42
redwhitepodcast
No, and I I yeah.

01:20:23.74
James Henderson
Like are you making anything from it like if like if the scc goes to like if the Ac if nc state goes to the scc and gets all this money. How are the fan like are they cutting checks to the fans I'm just saying so like how how should why should we care about the money then as a fan.

01:20:33.28
redwhitepodcast
I Wish it's yeah agreed I think you and I are the same side in this will and I have been had this conversation a lot that the more money doesn't help us.

01:20:42.24
James Henderson
You know I mean okay.

01:20:51.87
James Henderson
No.

01:20:52.87
redwhitepodcast
Technically, right? It doesn't help you or and I because all that means is the inflated budgets of the athletic departments and the ads and and these and in in that regard. So I get it and I hundred percent agree where the more money comes into play is when you need more money to. Buy more coaches and buy whatever else. You need to do in um in these sports and then when the players eventually become employees which is going to happen. You need to have the money for that right? and you need to be on par. There's not going to be a salary cap of some sort unless andcw like gets his asked together. But so the more money is for future proofing that regards I agree I think it's all ridiculous anyway and. They're already milking the fans for more so the investment so your point about what should nsy say do we should buy more players. Yeah, but that needs to come from like how do you get that money out of the athletic department and into.

01:21:45.96
James Henderson
But.

01:21:59.72
redwhitepodcast
You know recruiting so to speak right? Otherwise you just ask him fans for more money and I think that is the wrong way to do it right.

01:22:00.26
James Henderson
Well. Yeah, and that goes within my opinion like somebody at at NCState in all these programs should be should hire a guy I like to call the common sense guy you know, just the guy that's going to be there and just give some common sense to him like hey hey guys you know like should we be investing 11000000 in in Io right now.

01:22:16.11
redwhitepodcast
Ah.

01:22:24.56
James Henderson
Or excuse me in facilities right? now you think we should like if you're baseball should you be putting in 11000000 into a new into all of these baseball facilities right now on a baseball side or should you say maybe how about how about you give 8000000 to baseball and you take 3000000 and give it in I o.

01:22:25.60
redwhitepodcast
I Know it.

01:22:42.47
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, but how do you like that requires Nc state to walk some lines and Nc State is not willing to walk I'd agree I don't think it should but the way it sit up.

01:22:43.90
James Henderson
How do you think? Baseball will be doing.

01:22:48.56
James Henderson
I don't I don't think it really should though like it should just so should be somebody there saying hey your percentage might be better off if you ah I'm just just your money and do what you want to do with it as opposed to giving to to giving to facilities.

01:23:05.15
redwhitepodcast
Agreed.

01:23:05.34
James Henderson
Give it to this in Iowa collective over here that is that a conversation you can't have with somebody.

01:23:09.89
redwhitepodcast
Yes, you can't do that if you like that is like for a while that like they couldn't even athletic. Departments couldn't even mention in audio that has changed. Okay.

01:23:15.69
James Henderson
So what? So I So if um, no I'm just steady right now. So if I'm a collective. Okay, if I if I'm a collective and I know a donor is is is thinking of giving X amount of dollars to facilities I can't reach out to that donor and say your money might be better off here.

01:23:28.41
redwhitepodcast
Right? Well yeah, you can throw a donor but that doesn't mean that that your's now you're saying and.

01:23:34.35
James Henderson
Okay, that's what I'm saying so somebody's got to find that there has to be somebody in place to do that for your school because the fact that you're giving $15000000 to baseball right now for a new. And again I'm not saying you don't give zero I'm not saying you do 0 for facilities. 15000000.

01:23:51.10
redwhitepodcast
Right? There's a disconnect in the source of those funds though like we're talking about more money Tv deals for down the Cw right.

01:24:03.42
James Henderson
They're still getting money. They're still getting money committed for baseball I believe that number was 13000000 at the start of the year it's at 15000000 now so someone's given $2000000 over the last eight months and no one's had to took the common sense to say hey.

01:24:09.28
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:24:18.90
James Henderson
Find a way to get 500 at that to and niel for baseball and see what type of players you can probably get because if there's a if there's a sport you can really help with ill it's baseball there. There's 13 scholarships I believe to field 27 players some of these teams are gonna start.

01:24:21.58
redwhitepodcast
Again, Like I agree. Yeah, yeah, right? agreed.

01:24:34.81
James Henderson
Fully scholarshiping. Everybody vi an Io see how that helps out with with recruiting when you can fully scholarship via and Io and so do you really need a new field. Ah.

01:24:47.57
redwhitepodcast
The university needs to put some of that money find a way to get some of their money. So all this tv deals all of the stuff that's coming in from conferences and you know the more money that we keep talking about is not more money from the fans. It's more money they're calling. Like the university wants more money like Randy Woodson wants more money for whatever he wants to do with it and he's not that's a different story. So but.

01:25:10.89
James Henderson
Yeah, yeah, that's part of the problem I mean I'm not saying Woodson's part of the problem I'm just like like the the fact that the we're facility where people are getting paid and all that that's another thing I argue with but what we were discussing was really about.

01:25:21.42
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:25:26.60
James Henderson
The scc and this whole notion of having a seat at the table like I was trying to find a quote here because I but I think it was um, sunny dkes I saw a tweet did you see the tweet he put up minute. It might have been about a month ago where he was talking about Missouri and Texas a and m and how much more they're winning now that they're in the scc.

01:25:42.30
redwhitepodcast
Ah, oh no, yeah.

01:25:45.54
James Henderson
And making all that scc money you know like and and that's kind of my whole point is like as a fan if you want to win Don't get why you want to go joined is like I don't understand why you want to go to the scc if you want to win titles.

01:26:01.50
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I mean that's that's future. Perfect.

01:26:04.35
James Henderson
Because frankly, who's gonna be winning titles in Scc the next ten twenty years in football probably 3 teams so then that's kind of think what got us discussing is we were talking about creightton for instance, who don't have a football. They don't have a football program. So.

01:26:07.34
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, 4 teams. Yeah.

01:26:16.55
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, right.

01:26:22.54
James Henderson
Whatever they do have they put into basketball. They fully invest in the basketball and you know, um, a lot of teams in the biggies. Do that does that Butler Xavier um you know i.

01:26:31.12
redwhitepodcast
Well again I think that being in the scc that Tv money is again future proofing you for when they become employees like Mac Brown said it he said in 2 years are gonna be employees this this current is not sustainable. This current system is not going to hold up and.

01:26:46.52
James Henderson
Right.

01:26:50.38
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, you can't keep asking fans to invest more I think that is just completely disingenuous when your university breaks in hundreds of millions of dollars and then like oh but you know we need money to fund this and n nil like I'm if I'm an state like somebody like you said your common sense guy got to say look. We've got a budget of a.

01:26:55.57
James Henderson
Um, ah.

01:27:10.17
redwhitepodcast
Freaking ton of money we get every year from these Tv contracts. Why don't we get some of that into these n I all like if you have to go through James Henderson Inc and give you a million to give it to then I like find a way to get that money from there to there and not stress our fans about more money cause I think that is. Where we are losing people I think college sports is losing interest because you keep they keep trying to squeeze us for more right? and then you say well we want these Tv contracts for you know $100000000 like I'm not seeing it like you said it. We're not seeing any of that the fans aren't seeing any of that. The university is that's line in somebody's pockets is still not getting to the players right? It's still not being used to and n nil like that bridge has got to be gapped somewhere and I think it's going to happen in the near future. But you know state has never pushed the envelope in anything because they're too scared to get and slapped on the wrist.

01:27:50.20
James Henderson
Well.

01:28:07.40
redwhitepodcast
Slapped on the hand and that's yeah, a hundred percent they are yeah yeah.

01:28:08.92
James Henderson
Yeah, somebody's pushing that um below bear elsewhere. somebody somebody smart they have a common sense guy over there being like hey I'll give you another thing to my common sense guy would say Debbie yo was hired in 2010

01:28:22.53
James Henderson
Her starting salary her first year at NCState was four hundred and fifty thousand dollars it is 2023 I believe I saw boo corgans making one point two million dollars right now or is ah is it more than that one point six million

01:28:28.27
redwhitepodcast
What I thought 1.6 yeah yeah I I agree I raises all kinds of eyebrows get good for you.

01:28:39.19
James Henderson
It again like bo hey hey bo make whatever kind of money you can make man I a I'm all I'll give you a fist pap bump good job because somebody signed off on that if you can get it get it right? like if you can get it get it. But you mean to tell me and in 13 years

01:28:49.13
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:28:56.36
James Henderson
That job is is required to be or should be making 4 times almost what it was making and we're asking and we're acting like we're poor really and that's why I don't care about money. That's why I don't care about a seat at the table.

01:29:01.17
redwhitepodcast
Nope Nope I agree. Yeah I It drives me crazy. It absolutely drives you crazy. Yeah.

01:29:13.37
James Henderson
I don't care about money because I don't believe the money's going to be put anywhere anyways. Maryland went to the big 10 because of money ruckers went to the big. How much didn has money helped ruckers win championships in the big 10 You know it's not helping Maryland it is not helping with Maryland.

01:29:18.21
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, right, it it will it will in the future when they're paying players. That's the only caveat is they will because they're going to be employees at some point not currently at the current system.

01:29:36.38
James Henderson
But but but I think but I think what you're gonna have happen is you're gonna have schools and when that comes up comes around. You're gonna have schools eliminate programs to where they can facilitate paying players. Some schools are going to eliminate smaller programs to make it happen where they can still be competitive in that market.

01:29:37.84
redwhitepodcast
Is not helping anybody except for the administration.

01:29:51.13
redwhitepodcast
That would be insane without with it The additional you're probably right? yeah.

01:29:54.76
James Henderson
But I think that's gonna happen I think you're gonna see that happen you because like what the you know the traditional census is gonna be throwing out the window once you start paying players. We can talk about title 9 and all that all we want to? they're gonna be some concessions maybe because like you said financially everybody can't do it. They can't pay everybody.

01:30:03.61
redwhitepodcast
Right? okay.

01:30:09.37
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:30:12.71
James Henderson
Like every school can't now some schools can but when you go get a see like I don't want to see at the scc table because I want to win something and and again if if we decide that we don't want to win a championship then let's go to the scc and we can sit at the table and make a lot of money. We don't again me and you don't make a lot of money. But. Spo could make money you know bo can continue to get raises which hey I'm not knocking boo I hate I feel like I've said no offense like 10 times I'm not knocking him for making more money because if you can get it, get it. But you said 1.6 a one point six million she made four fifty

01:30:40.47
redwhitepodcast
Well common sense. Yeah.

01:30:49.40
James Henderson
And 2010 dude

01:30:50.25
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, common sense in college athletics. Do not mix right? We know that.

01:30:54.65
James Henderson
Well, it's It's what you're seeing is a product of of though everybody benefiting from players never being paid somebody has to make the money the money has to go somewhere is going somewhere.

01:31:01.66
redwhitepodcast
Yeah. Right.

01:31:10.98
James Henderson
And it used to be like you know I've I've talked to Apple you know we do our elite plus program where we do some and io stuff with guys I've had guys over here and off the record I've asked them like and I'm not naming names so I can say this but like hey man do you prefer facilities or an io me come on man.

01:31:24.83
redwhitepodcast
Um, it's it's the Nfl right? They don't care about still east. Yeah yeah.

01:31:29.60
James Henderson
Almost looked at him like 1 of almost one of this one of almost went like this had his hand like he's gonna slap me man like what what kind of question is that like they don't care about a like now facilities were great when you didn't have an io because then we can say we're giving you a nice facility and you know you got somewhere where you can you know wash your ass is really clean I guess I don't know somewhere nice I yeah.

01:31:40.35
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:31:45.73
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I agree pay me. Yeah.

01:31:48.93
James Henderson
But now you can pay me like you you go to the baseball team right now and you sit here and you and you tell them you know you guys know they're given $15000000 or they've raised $15000000 to redo doke. But what if we took some of that and gave a d night. What do you think? they'd say.

01:32:03.10
redwhitepodcast
A hundred percent I agree yeah no

01:32:07.80
James Henderson
No man I Want this new Bullpe I Want this pitching lab get get out it. No no and then you use that money going to portal look at the guy wait just got states a good enough program where state right? right? Yeah states' a good enough program where if they have money like an n nio money.

01:32:15.90
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, because of the pitching layer right? yeah.

01:32:27.38
James Henderson
They could go out and get big name baseball dudes I mean because you know Acc's right there with the scc which I don't know what that's gonna do whenever they're the like cause I'm being told I guess when the power 5 or the p two or emerges. You're not gonna have like it's like the Acc's not gonna exist anymore or something.

01:32:27.80
redwhitepodcast
Right? I agree.

01:32:42.78
redwhitepodcast
Well when espns gets sold off and they don't have any money to pay in these conferences Anyway, that whole thing's gonna get blown up and we'll go right back to where we started I'm pretty sure it's gonna happen. Yeah.

01:32:45.21
James Henderson
Um.

01:32:54.51
James Henderson
That's what I think I mean I and so I just think I want to be where we can win something.

01:32:58.59
redwhitepodcast
I agree I agree that it's just the investment differential like I'm still putting in football cause it's driving me the most money and but my allocation would be towards and n Ni and not towards administrations or any of those other non essential things.

01:33:16.74
James Henderson
I Mean do you really think that do you really think? no school is sit here and come up with a way to fight to just get to boosters and let them know where the money should go.

01:33:18.31
redwhitepodcast
And that's currently where more money comes in it goes there.

01:33:26.90
redwhitepodcast
All I mean I'm almost certain that Tennessee or some of these schools who granted they have big money boosters but they're still finding a way to give who was that guy own fuel city or one of those big gas station chains like.

01:33:35.46
James Henderson
Are.

01:33:43.65
redwhitepodcast
They're finding a way to give him contracts so he can get that contract right? back into the N Nil like the universities need to be more proactive in pushing that envelope and not just asking your big donors for more money to be funneled into these things but I agree.

01:33:58.68
James Henderson
Yeah, and I think what you're gonna eventually have happen is you're gonna eventually see the and ncwa find a way to legislat it to where your booster clubs are basically gonna operate as your collectives I think that's gonna be what they're gonna have happen at some point. Um, right right? but.

01:34:11.36
redwhitepodcast
That's what it should be Anyway I mean it's kind of what it's doing Anyway, right? I mean.

01:34:16.48
James Henderson
Just like I'm not a big we have to be in the scc guy simply because I just don't see a path to winning that league in football I see an easier path in the Acc in both sports. But.

01:34:27.12
redwhitepodcast
No I Yeah I agree. Yeah.

01:34:34.91
James Henderson
Then you look at it from a basketball standpoint if we're sitting here saying we want to win a championship to me. It's been proven the easiest championship to win in the out of those 3 sports is probably not get I mean but ba you could say baseball but you know you know what's gonna happen when state wins a baseball championship right? Like no one's there' gonna say it's not football or basketball.

01:34:48.88
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:34:53.75
James Henderson
Like we were. We're lumping you know how it works like we're lumping baseball in now because you haven't won one. It's kind of like I a you remember like five years ago it was like women's basketball was included and now they just took not just just take women's basketball out. They don't like ignore the whole stat. So um, but in basketball I mean.

01:34:56.50
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, all right? It's It's the major agreement on that if yeah.

01:35:11.41
James Henderson
Like Virginia tech wanted two years ago like Miami won the regular season this past year pit came in second you know I mean like there's ways that you can win a championship and and so I would just try and again I'm not saying you invest all your money. But.

01:35:12.12
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:35:28.88
James Henderson
You know invest morere miami made this the decision now to be fair I will say Miami obviously had a big n io deal where they were still giving a lot to football too right? So it wasn't just like they were giving the basketball but when you go out and get o mayor and you go out and get pack I mean that was those were the 2 marquee names in the portal.

01:35:44.41
redwhitepodcast
Right? The state not have enough and I L money for hoops.

01:35:46.78
James Henderson
They go to Miami they win a championship. Um, no I think state's really good right now from an NIll standpoint on the basketball side like they're not great like you look at like I mean I've heard rumors of Arkansas having $5000000

01:36:01.23
redwhitepodcast
Right.

01:36:04.51
James Henderson
I mean literally $500000 a player I've heard rumors of that I mean like I don't think there's anybody at Iny State making $500000 a single player from an n nil standpoint and that's why Arkansas can go out and get L Ellis and you know battle from.

01:36:13.36
redwhitepodcast
Right? yeah.

01:36:22.77
James Henderson
From um temple I mean they can just go out and get everybody because they're offering so much more than everybody. Um, but I think State's competitive to where it still becomes a deal and this is kind of my whole argument to the like the thought process I think there's is also a thought process of from fans that.

01:36:27.40
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:36:39.73
James Henderson
Like if you're not in 1 of those 2 leagues you won't be able to get any players. Well, there's still a demand for players and a demand for playing time like those schools can only take x amount of guys. So you know this other schools are going to still get players. The.

01:36:46.72
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, right.

01:36:56.95
James Henderson
You know if there's 20 power 5 team or there's 20 teams in the Scc twenty and the big 10 where the other 30 power 5 programs going. They're not just gonna disappear you know I mean so I just don't worry about it I think hell I'd almost rather be in that conference. Maybe you can win it.

01:37:03.33
redwhitepodcast
Um, yeah I agree.

01:37:13.54
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, it's proud. Yeah I mean it's probably a good place to leave that like I just think the money the money is the source of the money is the bigger issue at the moment and I'm all for.

01:37:15.10
James Henderson
Could you? yeah.

01:37:31.10
redwhitepodcast
Nc State investing more into basketball as long as they're not saying hey we need more nil money like let's invest from the athletic department and find a way to buy some players that way like let's let's pay and let's make them employees somebody's got to push the envelope somebody is going to and it's going to happen. I would love to be proactive I know it's so not what we're gonna do. But that's you know that's so you and I were just texting about this and that's that's the part where I'm like investing your invest into it.

01:37:54.16
James Henderson
Yeah I mean ah and for me right? and for me I Just don't feel the need to make more money to pay more staffers. Yeah like that doesn't know I like God I'd rather just.

01:38:05.14
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, hundred percent hundred percent they somebody needs to bridge that gap and find a way to get that money from there to there.

01:38:12.95
James Henderson
Ah, you know stay where I'm at like if you're yeah I mean like the inflation of the inflation within athletics department has to be astronomical right? Like I mean it's unbelievable I mean you look at what Dave Dorn's making now from when he started and I mean Dave's still employees done a great job.

01:38:20.71
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:38:27.12
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:38:29.35
James Henderson
But look at what he's making like should a coach be making that much more money and this isn't about Dave Don it's just in general right? I mean yeah like Dabo Sweeney like it's just the amount of money these coaches are making and these then again somebody's didn't pay have to pay somebody I you know so.

01:38:32.57
redwhitepodcast
Crazy in general. Yeah.

01:38:43.94
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, how do we find a way to get that to you and I like how do we get that investment like more money flowing to us like that's what I'm talking about.

01:38:48.27
James Henderson
I don't know so respond.

01:38:54.19
James Henderson
So yeah I need to talk to some people over there and figure that out for us right? I mean how how can we? How can how can we make some more like yeah as a school gonna come. Yeah I I don't Yeah, it's.

01:39:02.38
redwhitepodcast
Yeah I'll funneln all the money for him come on I got I got businesses thinking.

01:39:11.10
James Henderson
Maybe that common sense guy come through for us cause I mean somebody's gotta come over there and just say hey man I keep going to the baseball and because that blows me away that they're still tech. They're still bringing in money for facilities like nobody has said stop giving to this. We've got enough.

01:39:17.43
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:39:29.22
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, the Tennessee athletic director said it like a year or two ago I forgot after he came out and they could finally talk they the athletic directors could finally acknowledge in ill he was like we need everybody to donate an io like he came out and admitted like focus your money over here. That's where it should be like.

01:39:30.50
James Henderson
Give the this. Yeah.

01:39:37.80
James Henderson
Equity email. Ah yeah.

01:39:43.57
James Henderson
Right. Right? I mean like I I go back to the indoor I mean indoor's been great for state I assume um, but you played 60 years of football without it more I mean that was $17000000 right? But I believe.

01:39:48.92
redwhitepodcast
Yes I agree like and we're still operating independently.

01:39:58.82
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:40:05.60
James Henderson
Imagine putting a 17000000 in ah in io pretty good yeah'd be all right I mean could you could you could you survive a thunderstorm or 2 You know like ah is is.

01:40:07.83
redwhitepodcast
Would be all right.

01:40:15.21
redwhitepodcast
Um, ah how yes yes, you definitely.

01:40:23.70
James Henderson
It's just one of those things where you know saw they had a barber shop in the Murphy Center now I don't know how much that cost but I ever right? so.

01:40:29.31
redwhitepodcast
Good bought a player for that one I guarantee it How how do we get your common sense guy hired.

01:40:37.98
James Henderson
I don't know man. We just somebody's got it like there's so many things the common sense guy can do I mean like just stand up in the room hey you know another example we were using the other day is like the whole always offering these guys that have Alabama off like what are we doing.

01:40:40.93
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:40:52.36
redwhitepodcast
Kind of get the Alabama recruits right.

01:40:57.59
James Henderson
It's like it's like hey you know we're offering a kid from Georgia who Alabama offered two days ago and he's on campus. He's at Alabama right now. Let's bring like I like I forget the kid name. There was a guy who came to camp this summer who was committed to Ohio State was an underclassman and he came up for an unofficial visit.

01:41:01.31
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, yeah.

01:41:15.28
James Henderson
He's committed to Ohio State and he's an out of state recruit like would it have been wrong of state to say man back we will stay in touch. We just can't really give the time to you right? now we camp't going on because you're not coming here. What are we doing.

01:41:16.16
redwhitepodcast
The.

01:41:22.86
redwhitepodcast
Let's stay in touch when you're on on the portal.

01:41:28.38
redwhitepodcast
Yeah, all right? but.

01:41:34.61
James Henderson
Like that's this type of stuff where I just look at this is good I don't know I don't know like I said a man you can always find use for somebody with some common sense I mean no no I mean like I again I I feel like I've been attacking bohorgan in the last thirty minutes that just when I saw that sta it ble me away.

01:41:40.55
redwhitepodcast
I agree I agree College Athletics does not have a whole lot of it. So I.

01:41:52.12
redwhitepodcast
Get him get him. Ah yeah, yeah, oh it's It's a good one? Yeah, very little accountability.

01:41:53.97
James Henderson
It blew me away I mean it is nothing about boo. It's just like that's a hell of a job to have right now man right? like a college a d I mean Jesus right.

01:42:09.60
redwhitepodcast
Very very little accountability. A lot of money. Yeah, yeah, all right James we we'll leave it that as always, it's I enjoy talking to you about this and I enjoy busting your balls half the time to gives ah gives our some of our friends on our group chat. Ah.

01:42:12.93
James Henderson
Yeah, so I don't know.

01:42:19.29
James Henderson
Um, yeah, yeah.

01:42:24.83
James Henderson
Hey yeah when we let me know when you post this I'll throw it on the board and ah have everybody.

01:42:26.32
redwhitepodcast
Um, entertainment I think yeah, appreciate that it would should we should have some good comments we we were in the gamut here we go from you know Anthony Smith to Debbie out and bo corgan and yeah, but.

01:42:41.50
James Henderson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, will be art. We'll do it. We need to do it again. We need to do it with will man i' want to get what get back on wills available. Hey yeah.

01:42:45.63
redwhitepodcast
Let's get on the course yeah will's been a while I need get will back. Get back going now but we need to get on the course soon too before season starts and you're you're busy.

01:42:56.31
James Henderson
Oh man, you're gonna be killing me Oh God it' So it's so deflating getting out there with you'll come out with sandals on and just like no gloves and it's is like come on man now we'll do what we'll do it for sure.

01:43:04.69
redwhitepodcast
The nonsense nonsense our buddy as always appreciate your time. Thanks you allll for listening. Be sure to good ips sound inside packsforce.com and support James and what he does. He's I mean sincerely the best out there in cover an Ny state and including us and everybody else I'd like to be like James so go pack as always.

01:43:34.20
James Henderson
There you go.

01:43:47.63
James Henderson
I approve.

01:43:52.82
redwhitepodcast
Yeah.

01:43:55.33
James Henderson
What's like what pop.